Right, it affects women hormonally but not men for some reason.

"For men and boys, the phytoestrogens in soy do not appear to have any effect on hormone levels and have not been shown to affect sexual development or fertility. Research studies show that men consuming soy have less prostate cancer and better prostate cancer survival."

I wonder what that reason might be?

So at very most, it may make some women a bit more manly, that is if they managed to eat enough of it. And even that seems far fetched.

There are so many things that have much more drastic effects on your body and hormone levels that people do everyday.

Smoking for example.

It effects hormone levels in a meaningful way for women, so I don't eat it even though I'm a man.

Or even just being in a relationship, changes your hormone levels.

But it doesn't.

Show me a study where they made women eat soy everyday and thier breasts shrink.

Or they start liking women. Or start lactating.

"Plant estrogens do not eliminate all of estrogen's effects, but they do minimize them, apparently reducing breast cancer risk and menstrual symptoms." you just quoted it affecting women who consume it.

Yeah, but those aren't meaningful ways.

Meaningful negative ways at least.

If anything, they are just healthy.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disaggree on this point.

You do know that men have estrogen too right?

yes, both are made from cholesterol. they both serve a purpose in regulating our body.

Think about this, Soy comes from and is primarily consumed in the east, they probably have the lowest gay population in the world.

Explain that.

Japan in particular.

It's just become a fad in the west recently, withing= the last 15 years or so.

*within

MAybe it explains the little dicks. 😄

No, that wouldn't be right.... It blocks estrogen, so it would make dicks bigger if anything.

Maybe it explains all the boipussy in Thailand. kek

Seems a bit too localized though.

it has to do with how they consume it. They ferment it to remove/nulify the effects that soy enzymes and protien have on their diet. In the US we don't properly process the soy to remove the harmful parts. Most cooking oil contains soybean oil that is just squeezed out of the bean without processing it. https://www.johnleemd.com/about-soy-foods.html

Once again, did you read that? It says that the phytoestrogens are helpful, and that the ligins are what needs to be blocked, and that is done by incorporating seaweed into the diet.

If anything then, they encourage the phytoestrogens.

do you eat seaweed? I only eat it in sushi, soybean oil is a daily occurance.

But the ligins are not the same as phytoestrogens.

The lignins only block nutrient absorbtion, it has fuckall to do with estrogen or estrogen receptors.

Also, if you are so worried about this, why are you drinking Soy everyday? kek

Have you ever had the urge to have a dick in your hand after a glass?

Or in your ass?

The oil is in eveything. That is my concern.

Sorry bro, it's a nothing burger. Even a cursory glance at the science tells you so. Easterners do things to soy that encourage the phytoestrogens, not inhibit them. So it would stand to reason that if it made you gay, they would have a much higher percentage of gays.

Also, the relative amounts you are talking about here (soy oil additives) are so low that even if they had an effect, it would hardly be measurable.

It's the same as mercury in vaccines, people who don't understand science see it and freak out without any frame of reference for the quantities being used.

To the point where vaccine makers had to replace the mercury with something else totally unnecesarily.