thats not really a reason to not help people. I think there's a right way to do welfare, it doesnt always have to turn into what it is now

i mean any society can eventually deteorate, rise and fall of civilizations and all that.

Tax/welfare is state-run slavery, the most productive of the nation loses the most to give to the least productive for nothing in return

ugh, that hyperbole again. I guess thats easy to say if your young and live in a comfortable first would country. I don't mind handing over some money to not see people starve.

@JasonWilliams Wouldn't you just have a bunch of sick, homeless, starving people everywhere?

Welfare attracts those sorts of people and the US didn't use to have welfare yet it didn't have homeless and starving people everywhere either

Instead of welfare just have a community shelter and a soup kitchen inside

To get them back up on their feet if things go bad

the US had plenty of hungry people

I don't think anyone wants another gibsmedat society

@Orchid not as many as they do now

what if you have a family, are they just going to give up their life and live in a homeless shelter?

In traditional Western Societies it was Religious orders that filled the role of modern welfare

They also dealt with education and medicine

No, I wouldn't let it get to that, I'd make sure they were well set up so even in the case of my death they would still be alright

I know how to save

Also the US had far more hungry people in the past, there are very few people literally going hungry these days. Just look at the obesity rates among the poor

The poverty rate in the US right now is larger than the actual population of the US before welfare

modern poverty =/= hunger

But sure there are a lot of fattiea

Fatties*

Poverty is still poverty m8

Singapore has dealt with homless neets

It's literally illegal to be poor and unemployed there.

What system does Singapore use?

They put you in an apartment and give you a job- say sweeping streets

You have no option but to sweep the street.

If you don't they cane you

So now you have a job, and can pay for the apartment.

So how would we design that for the PNW colony?

Because it would be new and wouldn't have a lot of empty housing

why would we need that?

Also, for Singapore, they do have the Asian perception of honour and shame.

Which is much stronger than in Anglo culture today

welfare in the US is not a part of any municipality

but I guess we could run a charity

Charity is key

In Europe it was the Church that provided charity

That was one of the main purposes of monasteries.

Should we start a church?

And how do we stop the church from coming corrupt?