yes they probably are a burden, but so what, dont you think we should still show humanity and take care of them?

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Give them a job instead of free food

we are separate from first colony, were focused on the pacific north west

government jobs?

what if there are no jobs to give, or should the government just create jobs?

There is always a job, and if not they can just work for themselves. Teach them to grow their own food, teach them to build their own house. If they can do those things then there will be no need for welfare

@Orchid PNW sounds much better to me than Maine tbh, but I'll see how much I can help with both groups

to grow your own food you need land, and farming is a hard skill, it could take years for you to learn to feed yourself properly, and thats assuming youre young

same thing goes for the house, and you need tools and materials as well

Isn't Jason practically making an argument just for public schools

that is something people in those decrepit appalachian communities should conisder instead of being poor as dirt generation after generation. But what if say youre 40 and youre factory job is gone?

You'd hope by 40 you could have set yourself up

you cant expect a factory worker to have enough money to retire at 40, and sometimes shit just happens

I understand the need for compassion and humanity but I don't want the new society to end up like the old one, a welfare state

If he doesn't have enough money to retire, maybe he should learn a skill

thats not really a reason to not help people. I think there's a right way to do welfare, it doesnt always have to turn into what it is now

i mean any society can eventually deteorate, rise and fall of civilizations and all that.

Tax/welfare is state-run slavery, the most productive of the nation loses the most to give to the least productive for nothing in return

ugh, that hyperbole again. I guess thats easy to say if your young and live in a comfortable first would country. I don't mind handing over some money to not see people starve.

@JasonWilliams Wouldn't you just have a bunch of sick, homeless, starving people everywhere?

Welfare attracts those sorts of people and the US didn't use to have welfare yet it didn't have homeless and starving people everywhere either

Instead of welfare just have a community shelter and a soup kitchen inside

To get them back up on their feet if things go bad

the US had plenty of hungry people

I don't think anyone wants another gibsmedat society

@Orchid not as many as they do now

what if you have a family, are they just going to give up their life and live in a homeless shelter?

In traditional Western Societies it was Religious orders that filled the role of modern welfare

They also dealt with education and medicine

No, I wouldn't let it get to that, I'd make sure they were well set up so even in the case of my death they would still be alright

I know how to save

Also the US had far more hungry people in the past, there are very few people literally going hungry these days. Just look at the obesity rates among the poor

The poverty rate in the US right now is larger than the actual population of the US before welfare

modern poverty =/= hunger

But sure there are a lot of fattiea

Fatties*

Poverty is still poverty m8

Singapore has dealt with homless neets

It's literally illegal to be poor and unemployed there.

What system does Singapore use?