@TheBiscuitMuncher Yeah but Christians who claim to believe in the big bang aren't real Christians for obvious reasons

thats ironic

what is?

@RadRhys I don't know the history behind it, so I'm not sure, but I think maybe God *IS* the energy that makes up the universe. I think that if God exists, "He's" not anthropomorphic; He's beyond understanding or relating to.

the big bang is not proven, and youre bringing up somebody else having blind faith

That’s inherent for all metaphysical deities, drewski

but we accept it as a theory

not as a fact

that's not blind faith

Nothing can be objectively proven

exactly

Theories are often considered fact, Fred

yes, but the fact is that they're not

they're theories

and by definition, a theory isn't a fact

so then youre on equal footing with a christian then

not really

yeah

Theories require testing, observations, etc.

"Redshifting" big bang must be real 🤪

observe the big bang, show me the evidence please

You can’t test, observe, or otherwise extrapolate a metaphysical entity

we're not telling you it's 100% proven

so now youre talking metaphysics

it's not

You don’t need to directly observe the Big Bang, remember the conversation about cause and effect?

but many christians simply have "faith"

which isn't enough for me

religion is the metaphysics, hello

the law of causality and the big bang conflict

Heli*

another reason to trash the big bang

trying to claim things are random shows that you dont know about science, no offense

That simultaneously implies nothing happened before the Big Bang and that the Big Bang happened without reason

youre stuck on thinking a big bang happened

I never even made the claim that it happened throughout this entire conversation

RadRhysToday at 11:34 AM
That simultaneously implies nothing happened before the Big Bang and that the Big Bang happened without reason

for example

so you just bold faced lied

i never said that it was 100% proven, and that i believed it without question

The CMB is excellent observable evidence for the Big Bang.