just thought it was interesting

Seems interesting

But this ignores the social, religious and philosophical norms of the Era

That and environmental. Especially in the dark ages, but also standard middle ages. It was a fight for survival, so if someone promised protection that was one less thing the peasantry had to deal with.

well the era was 10th century ad

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki malnourishment is environment, no?

10th century wasn't all that known for its philosophy, mostly just being right at the end of the 'dark ages' for europe

beginning of feudalism basically

10th century was the best time to be alive

you had freedom

and clean air

and eight dead children by the time you reached middle age at 14

that is a small price to pay

for freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqPZFXTWi8k&list=WL&index=282&t=0s

@desert hamster tenth century sucked, it was the beginning of feudalism, so feudalism was pretty bad - there was often too many obligations that the peasants paid their lord

Like people today don't have obligations

Lol

it only adjusted to leniency later - people were poorer because there was less trade from towns, towns hadn't growth to the size they would by 1300

I think people overestimate the suck of feudalism

Or attribute externalities to the political system

working for free doesn't suck?

They didn't work for free. They had all sorts of checks and balances to prevent abuse of the peasantry.

There's accounts of lords being 'sued' in a sense in the HRE

It's much more nuanced than you're led to believe

yeah there was less checks and balances in the 10th century id say

because that was the beginning of when kings grew powerful

Sure, but you got to eat, and you were defended from danger

before then, there wasn't even inheritance for monarchs - it wasn't assured, unless it was some big dynasty like carolingians

also slavery existed in huge numbers

and there were ay-rabs at dem borders

Yes, but not hereditary like in the US

what do you mean by that

Slavery in America? Blacks were slaves by default

Children of slaves were also slaves

no inheritance

?

Of what?

oh nvm

yeah slavery was hereditary i think in some contexts

Some?

Most