No

you need to set goals and have punishments to make sure people arent dependent

It will always be implemented poorly.

Because that's how govt works.

This is where argus goes ancapistan

By that logic ancap is the way to go

It is lol

No ancap is a pipe dream like "true communism"

Minimize govt involved then we can start actually fixing shit

UBI is completely unnecessary spending that makes people even more dependent or entices people to stop working in the worst case

@woll3 you think welfare has been around forever?

It's only 70 years old.

We're running on fumes with national debt.

As if welfare is the big issue in this regard

That's what we're discussing

Lots of people are already dependent and enticed to stop work

UBI will just increase your debt

regardless one less aircraft carrier cant hurt

kappa

It's a new concept, never before implemented, it failed, and YOU want to claim that "Maybe we should try again, but better this time!" @woll3

@Fitzydog you can still reform it, and bring it down to just true disability. Without handing out yangbucks

You failed because you are retards

@Fitzydog ubi failed as well.

or the implementation was retarded, lets put it this way

@woll3 Go back to arguing for real communism why don't you?

In every test

WTF are you smoking

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Yes I know

how is UBI less communistic than welfare

Neither are communistic

well, yes, but that doesnt seem to be the argument here

@woll3 I'm saying that your argument is stupid.

You want to keep trying to make something work that has directly led to near societal collapse in the west.

........

Well tbh before it, we had quite a few societal issues as well

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over again expecting a different result

How is targeted welfare leading to a collapse, but UBI doesnt?

How about the middle ground? Reform it to only the truly disabled.

@woll3 you didn't even read what I wrote above did you?

Maybe its because not all welfare is designed the same

Finland did just spend a few years trying out UBI and they was not able to find any benefits from it and all it did do was making people stop working

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki mental or physical?

Its like everyone here just ignored what I wrote about welfare collapse

*The welfare state WILL collapse*

Just like the guy who bought a yacht with a credit card WILL declare bankruptcy