Also to make it clear, i'm not a socialist or marxist

Centralisation of
- tax law
- defence procurement
- defence policy
- immigration control
- border control
...and that's just for starters - Maastricht Treaty opened the door for EU dictatorship, then Lisbon Treaty showed the way... and that way is Socialist.

So let's see if i understand it, centralisation is socialism? or centralisation of certain *things*

EU current policy is to systematically remove sovereignty of its member states and hand that power to the EU.

@StevenStevens Here's an actual question:

What's your opinion on the sovereignty and self determination of localities and individuals?

Does a centralized government have the *right* to determine what individuals who live elsewhere can do?

In general i'm favour of the maximization of liberty, with some corrections to inherent systemic bias.

For example?

Racism.

How do you 'correct' for natural OPINIONS that people have?

You make so an employer can't openly descriminate against individuals due to their skin colour

Why can't they?

Because that is racist.

So?

And i don't like it

Oh, so secret racism is fine... jeez

Don't go to that business

yeah, redistribution of wealth doesn't sound socialist at all, LOL

I believe the business owner being punished for racist behaviour is more desirable than you being unable to go there due to your skin colour or nationality

I disagree

Good for you.

Go somewhere else...?

That person of color has no right to go to that business

That's a voluntary interaction

This sounds like American logic

Rights are an illusion, your rights are granted by whoever holds the monopoly on force buddy

It is wrong to force someone to work for someone else even for the right reasons

@Jabba's Soapbox Yeah, and it's why we left your sorry asses

So the state can punish people for wrongthink. Great.

@StevenStevens The only rights you have are those you are willing to defend through the use of violence

You are born with no rights, the government grants you some privilleges. You might try to confront the institution that holds the monopoly on the legitimate use of force

but that won't get you very far

So yeet the government

The government can kiss my ass

Problem solved

I am born with rights fuck off

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See? This entire argument is evidence that Liberalism is dead

Liberalism with a capital L?

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Liberalism as in English Liberalism

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