no one has a clue about how the EU actually operates and what are the constranints of each institution

try me

@Jabba's Soapbox TL:DR: I've already stated my beliefs above there is no need to do it any further

Don't be lazy scroll up

but you're quite right - it is very wrong to talk in terms of 4th Reich, but it is undeniably Socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GabfmvQ8s0A

In what aspect is the EU socialist, as far as i'm awere there have been no strides made to seize the means of productions

Well, that's the fascist part

and there we have it people - pidgeonhole politics

Unless you're talking about "Socialism is when government does stuff"

then under this definition the EU is indeed socialist.

we're done here

@StevenStevens is an eu cock dribbler

Indeed.

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talk about political control aspect of Socialism, try to hide behind economics... fuck off noob

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@StevenStevens Ok faggot, why the fuck are you back here after nearly a year of inactivity?

Motte and Bailey of Marxists is always to hide behind "means of production" as if that's the only thing advocated by Neo-Marxism.

Ok, lets supposed i'm wrong. What is socialism and how is the EU socialist?

@galesteppes As i said before i wanted to talk to some people that dislike the EU, because i wanted to understand why someone would dislike it.

Because centralization is the BIG GAY

well it seems that you are physically incapable of understanding

I can understand "German poo poo head", but that is not a very good reason now is it.

Also to make it clear, i'm not a socialist or marxist

Centralisation of
- tax law
- defence procurement
- defence policy
- immigration control
- border control
...and that's just for starters - Maastricht Treaty opened the door for EU dictatorship, then Lisbon Treaty showed the way... and that way is Socialist.

So let's see if i understand it, centralisation is socialism? or centralisation of certain *things*

EU current policy is to systematically remove sovereignty of its member states and hand that power to the EU.

@StevenStevens Here's an actual question:

What's your opinion on the sovereignty and self determination of localities and individuals?

Does a centralized government have the *right* to determine what individuals who live elsewhere can do?

In general i'm favour of the maximization of liberty, with some corrections to inherent systemic bias.

For example?

Racism.

How do you 'correct' for natural OPINIONS that people have?

You make so an employer can't openly descriminate against individuals due to their skin colour

Why can't they?

Because that is racist.