@StevenStevens The only rights you have are those you are willing to defend through the use of violence

You are born with no rights, the government grants you some privilleges. You might try to confront the institution that holds the monopoly on the legitimate use of force

but that won't get you very far

So yeet the government

The government can kiss my ass

Problem solved

I am born with rights fuck off

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See? This entire argument is evidence that Liberalism is dead

Liberalism with a capital L?

If no one is born with rights, then who gave the governement the right to create and enforce laws <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

Liberalism as in English Liberalism

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@-5K- Might makes right.

Billy isn't liberal

he's a statist authoritarian

No, he's an authoritarian nutcase

lol

Not believing in individual rights... yikes.

billy, the state demands that you undergo sex reassignment surgery

now go do it

As i said before, i rather the government gives people freedom but i'm under no illusion of what rights and governments are

@StevenStevens That confirms @Fitzydog 's statement of ```The only rights you have are those you are willing to defend through the use of violence```

@GeorgyBoyo That's the problem with them: You have to believe in them for it to work

The state gives no freedoms

It only ensures them

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@GeorgyBoyo Get a gun, it's easier than faith in 'Rights'

@-5K- Never said that was wrong, i only advised against it.

Might makes right

Advise against what? reality?

Marxism <:ohsargon:451135765368274954>

>might makes right

I guess we're raping billy tonight then

Nazis and Commies are two cheeks of the same arse - change my mind

A people have an obligation to defend their rights against a tyrannical govt. They use force if need be. I don't see why this should be advised against considering the fact that evil regimes have done alot worse for the world than anarchy (although neither is preferable)

>If need be

It's always needed lol

Now when you can't defend your rights then yeah they are unfortunately merely illusions

Rights = responsibility = Discipline = Freedom