Message from @Broo TulsiGang 2024 π¬π§ πΊπΈ
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If he has the machete, and that's illegal, then arrest him for that
but he can't be arrested for the plotting because conspiracy to commit *isn't* a crime
So you think he's a fantasist?
Explain to me what a fantasist is
He dresses up in a fur suit and thinks he's a fox?
Okay, so you're not actually trying to argue with me
Gotcha
Okay, well I already pointed out I never said I thought he was one of those.
My entire stance is if he hasn't broken the law yet, he can't be arrested.
And I disagree entirely with conspiracy to commit ever being a crime, because the standard of evidence is going to see a steady decline as time goes by.
so I can plot to murder you and that's ok
what level of planning I'm I allowed before it's a crime?
obviously I know very little about you
You have to actually commit a crime before you can be arrested. Extensive planning is reason to surveil, but not a crime committed yet.
And plotting to murder me would be fine so long as you never actually do it.
If you're going to arrest someone who's plotting a crime, it has to be for possession of things that are illegal to have.
well I would break many laws before actually being able to do it
Yeah, if you break other laws, you get arrested for that.
But the conspiracy to commit isn't an actual crime.
but this guy is just talking about getting a big knife and running into a room of people cus they are gay
And if having the knife is illegal, arrest him. If it isn't, then you can't arrest him until he does something illegal.
so does the venue have a bouncer with a gun?
You're the one who lives in the UK, you tell me what the concealed carry laws are like.
You probably have to work for MI5
So probably not, then. There's an argument you can use for loosening of gun restrictions then.
Ultimately my issue with conspiracy to commit being a crime is if you're seriously planning it, you've undertaken actions which *are* against the law
so making the planning a crime is both
A: Just a way of putting them in for longer.
B: Going to see a lowering standard of evidence until the police just become mind-readers, like is the case with hate speech.
My isssue is that if this guy runs into a GayBar with a machete. The best defensive weapon anyone could have would be a Chair
Isn't having a machete in the gaybar a crime already?
before he even hits anyone, isn't that both disturbing the peace and intimidation
Lke I said, it's reason to surveil. If the police are confident he's going to do it, they can dispatch a few officers there in advance of him arriving.
Ok he enters
I call police on my iPhone
Police take 30mins to arrive
Police don't have guns, they have batons
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" in advance of him arriving."
if they found he's plotting
they surveilled
they think he's going to do it