My entire stance is if he hasn't broken the law yet, he can't be arrested.

And I disagree entirely with conspiracy to commit ever being a crime, because the standard of evidence is going to see a steady decline as time goes by.

so I can plot to murder you and that's ok

what level of planning I'm I allowed before it's a crime?

obviously I know very little about you

You have to actually commit a crime before you can be arrested. Extensive planning is reason to surveil, but not a crime committed yet.

And plotting to murder me would be fine so long as you never actually do it.

If you're going to arrest someone who's plotting a crime, it has to be for possession of things that are illegal to have.

well I would break many laws before actually being able to do it

Yeah, if you break other laws, you get arrested for that.

But the conspiracy to commit isn't an actual crime.

but this guy is just talking about getting a big knife and running into a room of people cus they are gay

And if having the knife is illegal, arrest him. If it isn't, then you can't arrest him until he does something illegal.

so does the venue have a bouncer with a gun?

You're the one who lives in the UK, you tell me what the concealed carry laws are like.

You probably have to work for MI5

So probably not, then. There's an argument you can use for loosening of gun restrictions then.

Ultimately my issue with conspiracy to commit being a crime is if you're seriously planning it, you've undertaken actions which *are* against the law

so making the planning a crime is both
A: Just a way of putting them in for longer.
B: Going to see a lowering standard of evidence until the police just become mind-readers, like is the case with hate speech.

My isssue is that if this guy runs into a GayBar with a machete. The best defensive weapon anyone could have would be a Chair

Isn't having a machete in the gaybar a crime already?

before he even hits anyone, isn't that both disturbing the peace and intimidation

Lke I said, it's reason to surveil. If the police are confident he's going to do it, they can dispatch a few officers there in advance of him arriving.

Ok he enters

I call police on my iPhone

Police take 30mins to arrive

Police don't have guns, they have batons

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" in advance of him arriving."

if they found he's plotting

they surveilled

they think he's going to do it

they send a couple officers

the officers are *already there*

but you also cannot follow him around 24/7

ask the NSA

ask GCHQ

In either case, you still can't arrest someone until they *break the law*

Because once you say "There are circumstances under which we will arrest someone before they've broken the law"

Those circumstances just start applying to more and more situations as time goes on

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Just an Airifle bruh