Message from @Broo TulsiGang 2024 π¬π§ πΊπΈ
Discord ID: 410064588801835018
In either case though, at least as far as I'm aware, conspiracy isn't a crime. If his possessing of a machete or other materials is illegal, then that's reason to lock him up, but ultimately the plotting isn't a crime commited yet.
We also have many gas canisters that could be used as explosives. They power the oven...
I'm just annoyed because we both know a few major outlets that are going to say "we have this one case therefore this is true"
And until they're assembled into a bomb, having them is fine
when they are assembled into an explosive device, one that can be triggered instead of just being the materials, then it's a problem
He wasn't planning anything nice
so he need to get fucked
I know he wasn't, and terrorists don't either. But until they've broken the law, we can't arrest them.
So you think he's a fantasist?
That he's actually too dumb to actually buy a machete?
I never said that.
I just said he hasn't broken the law yet, to my knowledge.
I also said this earlier:
"If his possessing of a machete or other materials is illegal, then that's reason to lock him up, but ultimately the plotting isn't a crime commited yet."
If he has the machete, and that's illegal, then arrest him for that
but he can't be arrested for the plotting because conspiracy to commit *isn't* a crime
So you think he's a fantasist?
Explain to me what a fantasist is
He dresses up in a fur suit and thinks he's a fox?
Okay, so you're not actually trying to argue with me
Gotcha
Okay, well I already pointed out I never said I thought he was one of those.
My entire stance is if he hasn't broken the law yet, he can't be arrested.
And I disagree entirely with conspiracy to commit ever being a crime, because the standard of evidence is going to see a steady decline as time goes by.
so I can plot to murder you and that's ok
what level of planning I'm I allowed before it's a crime?
obviously I know very little about you
You have to actually commit a crime before you can be arrested. Extensive planning is reason to surveil, but not a crime committed yet.
And plotting to murder me would be fine so long as you never actually do it.
If you're going to arrest someone who's plotting a crime, it has to be for possession of things that are illegal to have.
well I would break many laws before actually being able to do it
Yeah, if you break other laws, you get arrested for that.
But the conspiracy to commit isn't an actual crime.
but this guy is just talking about getting a big knife and running into a room of people cus they are gay
And if having the knife is illegal, arrest him. If it isn't, then you can't arrest him until he does something illegal.
so does the venue have a bouncer with a gun?
You're the one who lives in the UK, you tell me what the concealed carry laws are like.
You probably have to work for MI5
So probably not, then. There's an argument you can use for loosening of gun restrictions then.
Ultimately my issue with conspiracy to commit being a crime is if you're seriously planning it, you've undertaken actions which *are* against the law
so making the planning a crime is both
A: Just a way of putting them in for longer.
B: Going to see a lowering standard of evidence until the police just become mind-readers, like is the case with hate speech.