Message from @Almagafor
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Then the Prussians made friends with Austria, like two boys bonding after a bar fight
like the 100 year wars with the english and france
@JayJS long story short, we aint like you
Commie
I don't like eternal unilateral condemnation of the middle east
It can return to stability if we stop fucking with it
I firmly believe that
Look at Iran before the revolution
Look at Afghanistan before Taliban
On the road to westernization and secularism
Which period would that be? The interregnum, the revolts in the eastern territories, the revolts in the Balkans, the economic destabilization of the period after the Americas were discovered, the Jannisary Uprising?
But because they were allied with Russia, US didn't care and fucked them
Balkans are not middle east
This is going everywhere, anyways. Claiming the middle east has been Stable till the late 19th century is simply a ridiculously laughably statement. For like 95% of the time only the vast majority of Persian rulers had a society, a very free one mind you, they did not oppress anyone for the most part. There were bad/retarded rulers but they went away real quick.
The vast vast majority of the people not included within the Persian Empire have always been mindless savages with their backwards beliefs running tyrannical governments through the regime.
Again niggas have been living in the region for more than 3 thousand years at this point. Blaming the freaking US or any western powers for the dogshit that is the middle east is crazy. No one is denying that in recent times they have only made things worse but still you're initial statement regarding stability is insane.
and late 16th, 17th, 18th and early 19th century
The only time the Ottomans were stable was when they were winning a war against Austria
> 18th
Nope
Stable in their Anatolian and Levantine regions
that's the middle east parts
Rumelia is not middle east
The Ottoman government was not stable then, they were called “The Sick Man of Europe” for a reason
@MountainMan bruh my meme is more important than school
That was late 19th
That was the sick man era
When western influence corroded most of it and seized all of its non-core possessions already
That they didn’t collapse completely in the 19th is because of the good graces of the English and (later) the French
Turks aren't people
Yeah
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Russia would have taken Constantinople if the english and frogs didn't ruin the entire thing
It would have been glorious
But no, anglos and frenchies wanted to suck the kara boga cock
They were going downhill long before that
They had failed to change economically while Europe was going through the first industrial revolution and it was killing them slowly
Yeah, but still had many 50+ years stable periods during that time
Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable
And then, when the sultan tried to reform the economy to keep up, the people revolted and he had to stop
have you ever heard of the wiemer republic good sir @JayJS
It's absurd to claim it was stable for all that time
"Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable"