we crave blood and soil of others

@JayJS you keep ignoring the fact that we are humans

38000 prussian casulties to 133,000 austrian led casulties

There were many periods of internal stability for longer than 50 years

Then the Prussians made friends with Austria, like two boys bonding after a bar fight

like the 100 year wars with the english and france

@JayJS long story short, we aint like you

Commie

I don't like eternal unilateral condemnation of the middle east

It can return to stability if we stop fucking with it

I firmly believe that

Look at Iran before the revolution

Look at Afghanistan before Taliban

On the road to westernization and secularism

Which period would that be? The interregnum, the revolts in the eastern territories, the revolts in the Balkans, the economic destabilization of the period after the Americas were discovered, the Jannisary Uprising?

But because they were allied with Russia, US didn't care and fucked them

Balkans are not middle east

This is going everywhere, anyways. Claiming the middle east has been Stable till the late 19th century is simply a ridiculously laughably statement. For like 95% of the time only the vast majority of Persian rulers had a society, a very free one mind you, they did not oppress anyone for the most part. There were bad/retarded rulers but they went away real quick.

The vast vast majority of the people not included within the Persian Empire have always been mindless savages with their backwards beliefs running tyrannical governments through the regime.

Again niggas have been living in the region for more than 3 thousand years at this point. Blaming the freaking US or any western powers for the dogshit that is the middle east is crazy. No one is denying that in recent times they have only made things worse but still you're initial statement regarding stability is insane.

and late 16th, 17th, 18th and early 19th century

The only time the Ottomans were stable was when they were winning a war against Austria

> 18th

Nope

Stable in their Anatolian and Levantine regions

that's the middle east parts

Rumelia is not middle east

> early 19th

Nope

The Ottoman government was not stable then, they were called “The Sick Man of Europe” for a reason

@MountainMan bruh my meme is more important than school

That was late 19th

That was the sick man era

When western influence corroded most of it and seized all of its non-core possessions already

That they didn’t collapse completely in the 19th is because of the good graces of the English and (later) the French

Turks aren't people

Yeah

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Russia would have taken Constantinople if the english and frogs didn't ruin the entire thing

It would have been glorious

But no, anglos and frenchies wanted to suck the kara boga cock

They were going downhill long before that

They had failed to change economically while Europe was going through the first industrial revolution and it was killing them slowly

Yeah, but still had many 50+ years stable periods during that time

Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable