> early 19th

Nope

The Ottoman government was not stable then, they were called “The Sick Man of Europe” for a reason

@MountainMan bruh my meme is more important than school

That was late 19th

That was the sick man era

When western influence corroded most of it and seized all of its non-core possessions already

That they didn’t collapse completely in the 19th is because of the good graces of the English and (later) the French

Turks aren't people

Yeah

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Russia would have taken Constantinople if the english and frogs didn't ruin the entire thing

It would have been glorious

But no, anglos and frenchies wanted to suck the kara boga cock

They were going downhill long before that

They had failed to change economically while Europe was going through the first industrial revolution and it was killing them slowly

Yeah, but still had many 50+ years stable periods during that time

Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable

And then, when the sultan tried to reform the economy to keep up, the people revolted and he had to stop

have you ever heard of the wiemer republic good sir @JayJS

It's absurd to claim it was stable for all that time

"Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable"

And then the army and navy fell behind the Western powers

Everybody has heard of weimar

Slow decline is way different from economic collapses and crises

still, it has dowfalls and instabillty

And it really wasn't a decline, it was the fact that europeans advanced and accelerated massively

None of them mean Stable.

Ottoman Empire still grew, but Europe grew 5 times faster

Just the Spanish Empire forming caused enough economic instability in the OE that they had to scramble with reforms before silver depreciated

The way I think about stability - Imagine an average family living in a small town. If it can live for 50 years without major disruptions to their way of life caused by a failure of governance and internal conflict, the country is relatively stable

fuck it

@MountainMan

@MountainMan

If some event happens but doesn't affect ordinary families that much, stability still lasts

just look at iran, with the sanctions and being a bananna republic, Everything has been corrupted
Officials steal funds for ENTIRE OIL DERECK PLATFORMS
Every minister is knowns as a sultan
Todays term for Sultans are "SMUGGLERS"
Army has all the fundings, thus does all their projects while other branches are selling everything 100% and even more stupid prices without getting caught for corruption.
Police and border polcie would rather make a deal with the crack and heroin smugglers to ruin the youths life then to get shot without bodyarmor
NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHY "Economical decline doesn't really mean unstable"

@JayJS

Go ahead, blame it on the white nigs

Again, it often correlates with instability

europeans are bad, lets blame them for everything rather then progress like them

I am more traditionalist hard right than you

Prove it