when has europe ever been plunged into chaos selectively?

you're all in the same boat

france etc. were doing fine during the weimar republic

italy elected mussolini at an earlier time

the WW isn't the plunge into chaos

Mussolini marched on rome

the WW is the consequence

He wasnt electes

Its a safeguard for when the people elected go against the public, that is the point. No one elects governments that they know will turn against them, guns are there for if and when it does.

heres a suggestion: make a constitution that prevents tyrants from even being able to enforce their will and back it up with several million rifles.

They have the first part of that

without the second it means nothing

@Werlf mussolini was elected

Oh ok

honestly what is stopping merkel from right here right now declaring martial law and siezing control?

our lack of a presidential system

macron can do that

Merkel can't

her need of not doing it since she has been elected for like 16 years?

why not? who will stop her?

admittedly I find that to be a fault of France's

because she's going to get kicked out

by whom?

by the other elected officials

dissolve their positions.

for merkel to cease control, all institutions would have to conspire at the same time

with our separate pillars that's nearly impossible

oppress them, sieze power, tell everyones its for the greater good etc. this has happened a hundred times throughout history.

we have other parties?

the CDU is only like a quarter or third of the Bundestag

The ones that conspired to maintain her?

I will say this.

If you guys @radeon @Deleted User think that because you have guns you will never be dominated or never will live under a tyrannical government, you guys already have the mindset to live under a tyrannical government

sure, *now* you do, but what about in 50 years?

for changes to the constitution there needs to be a 3/4ths majority

mma fighter is kinda right actually

no one said that @Fulcrum010

in 50 years the same pillars will be in place or we will have unelected Merkel

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Radeon said that

oh ok

we are not free because we have guns we have guns because we are free. You are not free.

i didnt