Marriage etc

positive vs negative rights

me?

Yea

yes that's right

gay marriage shouldn't be a thing - marriage is a religious thing

No it isnt

@this

Plenty of atheists get married for starters

idgaf if two men get a civil partnership tho

What's the difference?

One can have kids biologically

The religion argument is null simply because of the separation of church and state, either abolish all marriage laws or allow gays to be married, that's your two options from a liberal standpoint.

I don't like the idea of gay couples raising children, go!

Why?

nature/nurture

Don't you think two dads/moms is better than zero?

Lack of a gender binary in the family unit leads to a lower quality of upbringing

a child cannot be raised properly without both

That's demonstrably untrue

According to who?

@radeon zero parents? is this child made of air? 😛

The social scientists?

I like how this discussion went from chastizing him coz he's an actual fascist, to debating whether a gay guy should be allowed to raise kids

but seriously, gay couples just can't raise a child properly

There are plenty of people who are fine who grew up with one parent, it's not ideal but it's better than no parents

I disagree.

Dude, how? Why not?

Some can, a lot can’t.

there are plenty of straight couples who want to adopt, so the better than nothing argument doesnt really apply in reality

The government shouldn’t determine jack shit about marriage.

Is this the toxic gay culture argument?

It's true to say children raised by both wedded biological mother and father have better education, quality of life and mental health and stats prove it's less in homosexual parenting.

lol fucked that up

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5568725/amp/Crash-killed-lesbian-couple-six-adopted-children-INTENTIONAL.html

I'm growing up with one parent, my life is going good, and thats because my mother is so tomboy to the point of basically being a guy.

@radeon while there may be plenty of examples children growing up without both a mother and father, they are still in dysfunctional families

@Deleted User Kinda like here locally where a lesbian couple adopted 6 kids just to get the govt check

and there's also a ihgher rate of suicide in children that have homosexual parents

@Deleted User yupp

By whose standards?