@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) I take up arms? Like my constitution demands that I do

It's called the draft

@Fitzydog @ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar)

What is a natural right?

@Fulcrum010 That which you're willing to die to defend.

Mhm well. I get your point but it sounds very anarchist to me.

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) That's called liberalism

I am not willing to cede the sole responsiblity of protecting myself to myself without any government intervention.

Such a course is not pragmatic at all.

Define beat because A idribhunna in arabic does not refer to breating as in koing your wife and in hadith it is commanded with a tiny toothbrush called a siwak right before divorce plus Aisha herself said the Prophet saww never hit any woman in his life or any servant plus he told off a man for beating his wife hard in another hadith tradition @ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar)

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) Then you're a god damned commie

@Fitzydog
I can be willing to die to defend my right if killing people I don't like.

That don't make it a right tho....

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) anyone that doesn’t agree with strato is a “god damned commie”

@Fulcrum010 It is to you. How long will you defend it though?

@Deleted User No, he just disagreed that it's the individuals job to protect themselves.

That's fucking retarded

Ok fashie

If you're not the solely responsibile person for defending yourself, then you don't have ownership over yourself. Which means you are no better than property.

@Fitzydog
It's not because it is to me, that it is a natural right.

It's not because I have the right to suck people's blood the this is an actual right

You might have seen a few hot takes but I doubt you've been called literally just as bad as timothy McVeigh because you disagree that rump should be held responsible for wars he has actively protested simply because some soldiers in those wars like Trump, this actually happened

@Fulcrum010 Natural rights are a complicated thing, and I'm trying to help redefine it for the plebs who disregard it because 'muh atheism'

@Fitzydog Okay so you understand that Hobbes argued that the role of the government is to protect one individual from another and classical liberals have time and time accepted that notion.

@Fitzydog
You are not doing a good job

I'm trying to start a dialog, and you're just flinging shit

Me? Oks....

Well, except these wife beating newbs

@Fulcrum010 he’s the male chole

I am genuinely open to suggestions, go ahead and make me understand how wanting a classical liberal notion is a communism. @Fitzydog

Because you aren’t serving the state @ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar)

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) I think you misunderstood what I said

wtf 😂

@Deleted User
I was actually serious, but if he thinks I was flinging shit, I won't say anything else

@Fulcrum010 I apologize

@Deleted User Who is not? It is instrumental to serve the state to validate its protection.

@Fulcrum010 I've talked to people who immediately laugh at the notion of 'natural rights' because it's premised upon the concept of 'higher power'.

It's ok

Is everyone british here

It may be premised in such but it is a humanist premise as well which I despite being an anti theist can thoroughly agree with.

No

@Deleted User I am an Indian.

Some of us have guns

No way virat kohli