I dunno what u mean @Fitzydog

It is not done just by miswak before marriage as a cultural thing only

@Deleted User Well you just advocated beating your wife as if she's a child

If my wife goes out of line I am allowed to beat her.

Before divorce tapping her with a miswak yeah

In Islam.

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) No one asked for legality

As the final straw then talaq talaq talaq

I'm ok with wife beating, the government can't tell me what do to with my property

@Deleted User Holy shit no you are just missing the point.

@Fulcrum010 But certainly the government can protect another individual's right not to get assaulted

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) That's the point of govt, duh

Exactly

Ensuring citizen safety

I didn't say that

So that may mean infringing on your property for valid reasons

"protect another individual's right" Is not protecting one's safety

safety of liberty and rights.

Which are there to cater safety of citizens to some degree

Debateable

How so?

The purspose of the government is to protect my RIGHT to self defense, and the defense of others.

We could have a judicial system with absolutely no police, and it would work the same legally

Police are just a delagation of the use of force

But how shall that protect my natural rights?

That's your own damn job

But first you have to serve the state

Or pay taxes

either way but yeah

The governmnet is essentailly a giant insurance company/private arbitration

My natural right needs to be protected as well. How then should the government protect your right to your property in case of a foreign invasion?

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) I take up arms? Like my constitution demands that I do

It's called the draft

@Fitzydog @ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar)

What is a natural right?

@Fulcrum010 That which you're willing to die to defend.

Mhm well. I get your point but it sounds very anarchist to me.

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) That's called liberalism

I am not willing to cede the sole responsiblity of protecting myself to myself without any government intervention.

Such a course is not pragmatic at all.

Define beat because A idribhunna in arabic does not refer to breating as in koing your wife and in hadith it is commanded with a tiny toothbrush called a siwak right before divorce plus Aisha herself said the Prophet saww never hit any woman in his life or any servant plus he told off a man for beating his wife hard in another hadith tradition @ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar)

@ᚴᚬᚾᛁᚾᚴ ᚱᚢᚦᚴᚨᚱ (Hrothgar) Then you're a god damned commie

@Fitzydog
I can be willing to die to defend my right if killing people I don't like.

That don't make it a right tho....