Message from @NightOwl

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2018-04-18 13:04:20 UTC  

I'm just saying it's not exactly a hard concept

2018-04-18 13:04:25 UTC  

I don't think you can call yourself a classical liberal if you dont know who John Locke is

2018-04-18 13:04:53 UTC  

gatekeeper

2018-04-18 13:05:01 UTC  

Like I said I get a lot of concepts and information from other people, mostly on youtube. But I form my opinions on my own

2018-04-18 13:05:25 UTC  

Yes i thought it might be youtubers

2018-04-18 13:05:59 UTC  

anyway it doesnt matter

2018-04-18 13:06:03 UTC  

it doesnt mean capitalism

2018-04-18 13:07:04 UTC  

Well if you reject property rights it means anyone can just go to your car and take it

2018-04-18 13:07:06 UTC  

private property and free exchange of goods is a prominent characteristic of classical liberal thought

2018-04-18 13:07:11 UTC  

but not so much capitalism per say

2018-04-18 13:07:16 UTC  

take john stuart mill

2018-04-18 13:07:26 UTC  

one of the most influencial liberal thinkers

2018-04-18 13:07:49 UTC  

in his later life he was against the wage system

2018-04-18 13:08:03 UTC  

which is intrinsic to capitalism

2018-04-18 13:08:28 UTC  

yes it's true you have classical liberals in the Austran school of economics that championed capitalism. But that's not the same thing as classical liberalism

2018-04-18 13:08:37 UTC  

What's he's alternative to wages?

2018-04-18 13:09:03 UTC  

There's loads of alternatives. Syndicalism for example

2018-04-18 13:09:09 UTC  

If you go back to the bear roots of classical liberal thought

2018-04-18 13:09:15 UTC  

which is the english civil war

2018-04-18 13:09:54 UTC  

one second let me find something

2018-04-18 13:10:35 UTC  

ok so there were many political movemenets at the time

2018-04-18 13:10:44 UTC  

it stems back to the levellers

2018-04-18 13:11:06 UTC  

and the group split into two divisions

2018-04-18 13:11:27 UTC  

one was the diggers of woh were agrarian syndicalists

2018-04-18 13:11:54 UTC  

and the levellers which closely resemble classical liberals

2018-04-18 13:12:17 UTC  

```The Levellers was a political movement during the English Civil War (1642–1651) that emphasized popular sovereignty, extended suffrage, equality before the law, and religious tolerance, ```

2018-04-18 13:12:49 UTC  

this is where are movement starts

2018-04-18 13:14:03 UTC  

JSM entry

2018-04-18 13:14:06 UTC  

```Within this revised work he also made the radical proposal that the whole wage system be abolished in favour of a co-operative wage system. ```

2018-04-18 13:14:24 UTC  

you can be a classical liberal and support other economic systems

2018-04-18 13:14:31 UTC  

it's just we support capitalism because capitalism works

2018-04-18 13:15:07 UTC  

do other systems not work then?

2018-04-18 13:15:18 UTC  

and because it's proven to maximise freedom and liberty more than any other system known

2018-04-18 13:15:25 UTC  

as well as increasing prosperity

2018-04-18 13:16:00 UTC  

Socialism does not work

2018-04-18 13:16:21 UTC  

Syndicalism has been proven to not work too

2018-04-18 13:16:29 UTC  

in Israel you have Kibbutz which were syndicalist

2018-04-18 13:16:45 UTC  

and they were all subsidised by the state

2018-04-18 13:17:00 UTC  

and their produce was inferior compared to what was being produced by the capitalist markets

2018-04-18 13:17:01 UTC  

So if other systems don't work, and capitalism does, then that means capitalism is naturally better

2018-04-18 13:17:12 UTC  

lol