Schrödingers Venezuela.

Yup. This is totally going nowhere.

Venezuela is more socialist than every socialist country in Europe

@versterven look up anything about Venezuela from the last year

@versterven please just watch the Young Turks video on it. They even say its a socialist state.

@versterven what is socialist for you?

@Chris McLean Baron Lord of Hell NO

@versterven you seem to fail to understand that it is a spectrum and venezuela is leaning towards socialism compared to other nations

Wait we started with callin Venezuela communist

They re defintely socialist

TYT is complete insanity

also here is data that shows that public sector as a percentage of gdp in venezuela was bigger in 1997 than in any year from 1999 (when Chavez was elected) to 2014 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QGc2eUlWXCC2DQkmikn4Bn7Ms5FcenHjnwBlPbVTxYY/edit?usp=sharing

@Deleted User anything that is proclaimed as socialist and that works, duh

@A Random Crusader its to show this fool thats its clearly socalist

@versterven Too old.

socialism is when the means of production are collectively owned

the onus is on you to provide more recent data

you are trying to dismiss a 15 year trend

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-paralysis-at-pdvsa-venezuelas-oil-purge-cripples-company-2017-12

Socialist states fail because people would rather risk to be worth something, than to be equally worthless.

can you quote the part of that article that has data and isn't just saying that the venezuelan government expropriated something

it won't let me read it with adblocker on

The problem is the state, with Socialism it is too powerful.

can you not be a faggot?

it's really simple

in cuba, the means of production are owned collectively

cuba is socialist

in venezuela, they are largely owned privately

venezuela is not socialist

"the venezuelan government expropriated something"

That's the part proving to you its not capitalism

that doesn't prove anything

That is why I have only sympathy for Anarcho Syndicalists.

you can expropriate certain industries and still have capitalism

It proves something...

every capitalist country has a public sector

every capitalist country has state owned enterprise

The Venezuelan government has the authority to seize any and all private enterprise without any form of appeal

That's not a free market

yep

The difference is the ratio and the amount of government power over the market too

but this fucknut thinks it's MUH capitalism