are you less of a man or woman?

Because their suicide rates make it very clear that their psychological issues are causing them too much trauma.

You go to make them claim outside just in the world without appearing like a massive arrogant prick

@Deleted User The organ that grows into either the penis or vagina is a non-functioning, un-determined organ, the chromosomes cause it to grow into either the vagina or the penis. You clearly have a high school understanding of biology.

ok say it is functioning

then what

They aren't in Therapy with you, demanding to be fixed. They'd just rathar be referred to in some way because for the time being that makes being outiside easier. I don't see whats wrong with that

Personally i like to leave opinions about gender dysphoria and the like for actual professionals and think all should do the same.

Problem is that a lot of people who are not experts and have NO idea what they are talking about are injecting themselves into the issue.

say they create everything exactly

Normally, all humans have a heart that functions purely biologically. But some people have to get pace makers to make their heart work. Does this make them no longer human? No, they are simply modified.

Feeding their psychological trauma isn't going to improve their situation, clearly.

Yes we do

Its called a name

if you get a face transplant, are you a different person?

no

just modified

@EmptyE Like I said, if they’re know the descision they are making, and they are not bitching despit their descision, than I will oblige them. Have to actually been reading what I said, cause your response is idiotic.

No, Nicholas cage is still John Travolta

then i wouldn't hang around you mate. hence the friendship argument

Referring to someone as their name all the time is clunky, slow, and doesn't stop people from using sir/ma'am.

If you lose an arm are you a different person? If you become blind are you different person? Some i have heard have claimed they are.

so biology doesn't matter in this case

Because those words are polite.

@Deleted User If it were functioning as either, than that’s what it would be, but the organ on a fetus is NOT FUNCTIONING!

it has to be what you started with?

@meratrix what I read was you ramble on about psychology and treatment when all I asked was a question about social decorum. So have you been reading what I've been typing?

You kept asking further questions.

Never in the history of psychology has feeding a psychological disease been considered effective in curing it.

Well one of them was about the line of what "Making an effort" or the equivalent statement you made, was

M4 i think you would need to back that statement.

@EmptyE Your further questioning requires that I go into greater detail does it not.

Nobody should make any effort to allow their speech to be forcibly policed.

Not by members of society or parliamentary government.

Nothing I've argued has been about the effectiveness or otherwise of treatments/Transitioning. @meratrix

let's say you were going to become a boy, but a doctor altered your chromosome so the Y wouldn't kick in

are you still a boy?

oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```

You might be correct.

There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.

Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.