In truth, Aisha was 21

That's a relatively modern interpretation that is on pretty shaky ground Amita

Not really

Modern british politicians make me want to vote for Mosley.

@Deleted User really?

@Deleted User Muhammad was pretty extreme himself though... at least compared to our time. But it doesn't matter where it comes from, the fact is it's prevelant in Islam

Amita, by being able to criticize islam we can identify what you're talking about and make the changes needed

Culturally child marriage was *extremely* common at the time, there's not much reason to doubt the literal interpretations

Have any of you read imam tawhidi's work?

It was not unusual for the time, to have young wifes!

No idea who it is

21 years is pretty old.

Oh yeah

I think I know him

He's that liberal Muslim guy

@Baraban @Deleted User @The1stImmortal @HungBunny @Swords & Shield
https://youtu.be/o6tuQoXhOPQ

He is a certified imam, btw

Yeah yeah I know

@Deleted User He should still get kicked out.

Iv'e seen him before

@Swords & Shield watch the interview

Why doesn't he lead a community of people trying to fix up Islam then

Listen to him

Tawhidi is hardly considered "Mainstream" - in fact he is somewhat reformist. While reformist imams are a good thing in general I dont know he's a good basis for making general arguments about islam.

@HungBunny he is

Then why do I never seen it

And yes, I'm in Australia, Tawhidi shows up in the media a bit here :)

He is a muslim. He will never be Australian. He needs to get repatriated.

I am sorry but that's just how it is.

What do you think we should be doing then Amita

He's reformist enough it's possible he could honestly put nationality before religion if pressed.

I would be interested in the plan of @Swords & Shield Spencer.

I used to be all for freedom of religion and all that leftie crap until the nice attacks. Change your religion or go back

To the amazing muslim countries you love

Christianity mostly solved the temporal vs spiritual allegiance issue a while back. Death of the papal states etc.

My plan is not based on race. It is based on the FACT that Islam is incompatible with western civilization.

Honestly, religion in general is fast becoming incompatible with western civilization

you can have advanced scientific societies or you can have mythology and superstition

You should make it clear that it's perfectly fine to find flaws within a certain group. And you should make it clear that you shouldn't treat the invdividuals within it any different. If they break the law, they pay the price, just like eveyone else. No protected classes.
Also, freedom of speech, most important

You can't get rid of them, so we have to europeanize Islam.

You can