Message from @Hotzendorf

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2018-06-20 20:00:54 UTC  

Actually, Kazza, they DID undo it after wartime

2018-06-20 20:01:00 UTC  

Defense budget

2018-06-20 20:01:08 UTC  

Dude the defense budget in the UK is like 2%

2018-06-20 20:01:09 UTC  

It's just that the 16th Amendment made it legal in peacetime

2018-06-20 20:01:13 UTC  

Oh UK?

2018-06-20 20:01:13 UTC  

Repeal the 17th amendment, change my mind.

2018-06-20 20:01:21 UTC  

Uhhh

2018-06-20 20:01:23 UTC  

25% goes to folk not wanting to work, the other 50% to fatties on the NHS

2018-06-20 20:01:33 UTC  

I'm honestly on board with repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments

2018-06-20 20:01:39 UTC  

What are they?

2018-06-20 20:01:50 UTC  

16th is for peacetime income tax in the US

2018-06-20 20:02:02 UTC  

17th is for direct election of Senators

2018-06-20 20:02:02 UTC  

Why the 17th?

2018-06-20 20:02:22 UTC  

Because the Senate's point is to represent the states, on a government level, not be a popularity contest

2018-06-20 20:02:27 UTC  

^

2018-06-20 20:02:52 UTC  

The fact that we're looking at a real possibility of seeing a Kid Rock versus Eminem race for US Senate in Michigan makes for a VERY good case against the 17th Amendment

2018-06-20 20:03:22 UTC  

it also set the US on the road of ending layer cake federalism, which had the final nail driven into its coffin by the New Deal

2018-06-20 20:03:30 UTC  

Does democracy work

2018-06-20 20:03:39 UTC  

If people can vote for their own votes and money

2018-06-20 20:03:45 UTC  

Democracy needs restraints and counterbalances to avoid mob rule

2018-06-20 20:03:55 UTC  

Kid Rock isn't actually running for office

2018-06-20 20:04:01 UTC  

to avoid a Tyranny of the Majority

2018-06-20 20:04:10 UTC  

Literally what'd stop him, though?

2018-06-20 20:04:16 UTC  

hello#

2018-06-20 20:04:22 UTC  

The founding fathers put so much thought into everything they put into the constitution and people are working day and night to undo it all

2018-06-20 20:04:24 UTC  

And if he did run, what'd stop his victory?

2018-06-20 20:04:37 UTC  

What would stop a man who's known for being on a TV show from running for president 🤔 🤔

2018-06-20 20:04:48 UTC  

@Kazza That's why they also developed the US Civil Religion to culturally defend the Charters of Freedom

2018-06-20 20:05:17 UTC  

@Hotzendorf Certain states passing laws to return the job of choosing state electors to the state legislatures

2018-06-20 20:05:31 UTC  

Fair enough

2018-06-20 20:05:54 UTC  

The Election of 1789 was a mixed bagof popular votes and state legislatures on a state-by-state basis

2018-06-20 20:06:10 UTC  

eminem or kid rock having an actual chance of winning is a pretty clear sign that the quality of professional politicians is severely lacking.

2018-06-20 20:06:27 UTC  

Election of 1789?

2018-06-20 20:06:29 UTC  

What

2018-06-20 20:06:34 UTC  

@Deleted User Hence the campaign to repeal the 17th

2018-06-20 20:07:00 UTC  

Ok then

2018-06-20 20:07:01 UTC  

That's fun

2018-06-20 20:07:03 UTC  

How about we just kill everyone that disagrees with me

2018-06-20 20:07:10 UTC  

yeah, i'm with you there mr boat man.

2018-06-20 20:07:12 UTC  

Then the world would work perfectly