Message from @franti
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You're making new definitions for existing vocabulary
@radeon love the #nottruecapitalism argument there. "It's not Capitalism. It's just Corporatism! Waaaa!"
@franti I'm sure it would be hard for someone from Eastern Europe to understand the concept of a free market without govt control, seeing as that's a relatively new concept for y'all.
@Fitzydog The rationale is that people live more. But the truth is that companies want to pay less for social security. They don't want to pay their due share, and governments are influenced or under pressure by them to not raise taxes under the idiotic idea that the free market will do its work
So instead of raising taxes on the obscene wealth of corporations, they reduce costs
Anyone who says seriously universal public healthcare is inefficient, that private enterprise should be applied in public assets, is a fraud and a delinquent.
The solution is to force companies to abide by labor laws. Spain, for example, has an unsustainable system. But it's not because there are more and more old people only. This demographic shift is accompanied by reduced birth rates. The latter is caused by job and career insecurity and gender discrimination in the work place
So your argument against the free market, is an example of govt interference?
The truth is that the US government keeps raiding the Social Security fund, which is supposed to be illegal. Ronald Reagan was the first to do it, which is why everybody thinks he was so good on the deficit. He wasn't good on the deficit. He was stealing money American citizens paid in for their retirement through the Social Security program in order to pay off all of the government's military-industrial debts.
Young people won't have children when they have job insecurity. This is caused by a policy enacted by right wing governments under the direction of the IMF. In Spain, the vast majority of jobs are temporary contracts that don't last more than 3 months. "Long term jobs" are a rarity, as people who remain in one place will have a constant renewal of 3 months. Forever.@Fitzydog
Diplomat cars are always black
I could expain why but they would kill me
idk why we keep bringing up Spain, as that is a terrible example of how not to run a country
This allows companies to have a damocles' sword on workers. If workers complain over the obvious abuses (such as unpaid "extra hours" that amount to 12 hours a day), the employer will just stop renewing the expired contract. It's a covert way to fire people without giving them compensation.
@Fitzydog because Spain is an example of a successful social security system.
How long has it been around?
Spain has become from a third world country stuck in the 19th century to a first world country in the 21st century, thanks to socialist policies enacted in the 1980's and the investment of the European Union, of course
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"Successfull"
since democracy
Spain is failing across the board, what are you talking about?
The US doesn't have a good social security system
For starters, you don't have public healthcare.
@Fitzydog Huh? Spain's economy has recovered to 2008
*2008 levels
Unemployement was at 25%. Now it's at about 15%
It still has huge problems, but they're not precisely "failing across the board"
Well, Spain always had a chronic problem with structural unemployment. Even during the housing bubble, it never went below 10%
It's an improvement, sure
Hpw old is the oldest, functioning public healthcare system?
how spain managed to rule an empire, I'll never undestand
"Herp derp, America sux cause they don't have good govt provided pensions, or govt provided healthcare."
Yes, and I would like to keep it that way.
yes 1k const for insulin is totaly normal
people actualy die because they cant afford it
A threat does give you the right to defend yourself. You don't have to wait around and see what's going to happen next.
We subsidize your medications, fool.
@Fitzydog what if we must made illegal for companies to sell their drugs outside of the US <:high_iq:382980759012638731>
The US govt protects a virtual monopoly on medication production
The problem is cant negotiate with the medicine supliers
Yes, actually you can
And it's quite common
Usually your insurance company does it for you, so most people never see the process
That's not to say that the negotiations are fair