If everyone actually read the entire Bible there would be a lot fewer Christians

you said it was against religion progress moved

It does, where is the anti slavery in the scripture?

yet it was the religious Quakers who started the abolitionist movement

and the catholics

I do not need scripture alone

People who had enough money and power to not need slaves to support their business were the only ones safe to criticize slavery and were the first abolitionists. That's my interpretation, at least.

we have the religious traditions

The apostolic faith

The bible endorses slavery throughout. Therefore it is religiously condoned. If the abolitionists were motivated from their beliefs they didn't get that moral decision from their religious scripture but through a process of reason.

Deciding that all men were equal

The Bible also openly advocates for murder as a form of punishment for unruly children I think slavery is among the least heinous things 'god' condones

@Roarey Did you read it in chonological order?

Yeah

I dunno, it's up there

Again your claim that secular humanism moved society forward against religion

you have done nothing to back it up

@M4Gunner unless you're white <:makes_you_think:382980749780844554>

God definitely gets points in my book for dropping an orbital strike on Sodom and Gomorrah.

Name a culture in the past that *didn't* have slavery.

Pro tip

you cant

No I said that moral progress moved against religion, and that secular humanism has civilised the west. Secular humanism is a result of that pushing against religion for centuries

until the quackers

It's really hard to prove one way or another

"against religion"

Yea when God obliterated thousands of people for doing things he didn't like, how loving and caring

No no no, it gets points for cool factor

Reddit tier stuff my dude

anime

I like this discussion, there's a nice spectrum of ideas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490700885488435211/491663145773826058/DcY-WZiVAAAKFqc.png

Here you go

need i say more

@radeon I don't read the bible for enlightenment or advice, I read it for entertainment on the rare occasions when I do. Or just to learn about it.

I'm right about the middle there

No virgin birth?

I'm on the fence about no deity

Can anyone here give me a decent argument for why religions should be taken any more seriously than other faith-based anti-reason ideologies like communism?

Deist?

The unmoved mover?