civil wars are often a time to exploit other countries... especailly when it's a hegemon collapsing

Yeah, but with your point about NATO allies.

I think that's a very important aspect you're moving past without looking at its implications

sure, elaborate, ill listen

there's a lot of rich interest in seeing that the united states world order continues, i believe

but there's plenty against that too

i think the world order will collapse, but the international interests of NATO might work the hardest to restore order, because they likely have nothing to lose

i don't know, maybe the EU would ally with NATO in that regard

Just the *idea* that outside forces would be brought in would be like a giant red flag about the legitimate authority of the Fed to a lot of citizens and military alike.

It would destabilize what was left, and force the hand of the citizenry to establish an interim grass-roots US gov't replacement that quite a few US troops would probably pledge allegiance to

Like, overnight

i dont see the population giving a united front thoguh

If they do some shit like bring in French troops to shoot Americans?

You're damn right they would

i just see a lot of power struggle

well towns might unite

but the country at large? do you think populations would be able to form a militia nation-wide comm system?

I'd see multiple states organizing into coalitions

one that's public and protected from sabotage

Iirc, didn’t they figure out that the US military would have something insane like 86% defect rate in the event of a revolution?

@What Would Jack Conte Do? lol dude, we already *have one*

one that has comm security, so no intel leaks out

We've had this stuff established for 40 years

sigh, do you think a united front will capture it in the first month of war?

lol no

so it'll probably be sabotaged then

Doubtful

well when the US military splits up as a result of ethno-nationalist/internationalist tension

and tension from people that just aren't ethnonationalist anyway

do you think that line of comm will be secure

You know that the US asks for assitance from amateur radio operators during natural disasters, right?

It's a better network

for long range open comms?

For everything

that can reach out to lots of people so that they can direct a united front, for maneuver of groups consisting of thousands of people

seems a bit complicated for amateur

i dunno

a lot of the radio operators are military trained

o good, so he's really good with that fisherprice radio then

Organizing airlifted supplies, nationalized comms, small militia units, you name it: The public does it better, and more decentralized than the US gov't

its p2p tho

its not like an internet website where everyone can go (though maybe that would exist too)

Who were the first people to get Puerto Rico back up?

Amateur radio operators organizing with small plane owners carrying supplied from Florida

still, likely scenario to me seems to be that white nationalist death squads will take over neighbourhoods so that people can't flee