Really, I'm very skeptical about our ability to reduce CO2 emissions. If you look at gdp/person to CO2/person charts, you'll see that even if we do our best, it's largely a choice between leaving a lot of people in poverty and producing CO2

So the big question is, what is our goal? For the largest amount of people to suffer as little as possible, or "preserve nature".

USA is a heavy polluter in comparison to other Western countries

It's quite possible that it would be way cheaper to deal with the effects than to prevent it from happening.

Of course, many enviromentalists don't give a shit, because they don't actually care about people

the planet will be fine, its just our living conditions that are the concern.

I know, but thats whataboutism

I have no influence on Chinas politics

give it a few billion years without humans and who knows whats up next

oh, supernova, I forgot

about 12k years ago, global average temperature rose by about 10deg C in about 10 years

why do we still have corals?

There's some truth the the climate change stuff

from what, to what?

but there is a LOT of bullshit

climate change is true, yeah

some of it, anyway

the 97% claim is bullshit, for example

From what temp to what Temp?

from low temps to roughly present temps

climate may be changing, but I don't see what we can do about it. realistic measures are way too drastic to implement, and paying for farts brings us nowhere

though during some other previous ice age ends, the change was even bigger and to higher temps than what we have today.

there are things that can be done, in theory, but all the money goes towards co2 reduction nonsense.

exactly

fight against desertification and shit

Don't see on airplanes

fuck CO2 reduction

realistic measures like nuking china and india

heard of bicycles? @M4Gunner

They collect your pee

And give it to China

they produce a lot of our shit

people like Bjørn Lomborg, who have "novel" ideas are ridiculed, and the world continues attempting to implement co2 reduction goals despite having failed every single attempt at upholding agreements since they started it back in the 70's or whatever.

theres a lot of effort from the eco-types at least

@Durtle02 I enjoy not breathing bricks

The thing is, the co2 shit is really not solvable. It's a choice between a lot of people in poverty and co2

Chinese bricks

and that choice should be clear

Ban China

also co2 might be the wrong thing to focus on idk, before the climate craze co2 was considered good, plants thrive off it

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