You need to be baptised twice. First, with water. Second, with fire (receive the Holy Spirit).

@salazam you have a lot of anger in you, brother 😦 Get right with God. He loves you.

the way you described love is satanas

love isnt seeking anything... it's a state of being.

marriage is also for family structure... logos... values... preservation...

You can't explain anything to people in a fallen state. They have to see it for themselves. Their emotions won't allow them to think logically.

Love is of the mind, aka: you use your mind to see people from a perspective that enables love for them. For example you look at humans through the perspective of the people who love them, meditating about it. You ignore their flaws and focus on their qualities, seeking using your mind, their inner beauty.

You can also meditate on the love that individual has for others, which will make it easier for you to love that person.

Love is of the heart, aka: You have an open heart, and/or that individual is in your heart.

Love is of the spirit: His/her presence is with you.

This is just my 2 cents and a very shallow description. The more you think about it, the more you will understand.

Think about it. What do lovers usually say? Something along these lines: you're in my heart, I can't stop thinking of you, I wish you were near me, I am with you, etc.

And what people that are in lust say? (with other words): You are so HOT, I want you to be mine, etc (focus on the lower part of the body, which is a "love" that is dead because it has no substance).

@salazam read Proverbs 12. Don't hate correction. And love discipline. So you will receive good knowledge.

Everything I said had 0 emotions in it, and was all facts in relation to christianity

Honestly you're disappointing me a bit bc I thought you were a member of jesse's church

I think I can see what's going on here though, and it's that a lot of people watch Jesse and take his words to mean one thing over another, & that's bc it's as someone said before that Jesse is pretty inarticulate. Although, in this case specifically, I have heard several times either from the radio show or church that "You have to be in the fallen state to get married, otherwise you don't have the desire for sex." I think it's still great that you're awake in the sense that you see what is wrong, and you're into the JQ stuff too so that's a bonus. But as far as this topic of marriage, you've still got some waking up to do.

So much anger.... what a shame.

@salazam what do you think "Life is bigger than me, but God is bigger than life" means?

@Path IDK what does "Leave me alone" mean? If I'm in such a fallen state, let me suffer and die in peace ffs. You nag worse than my ex.

You sounding like you got the most anger rn ice cream poopypants sir

when has jesse said "You have to be in the fallen state to get married, otherwise you dont have the desire for sex."? he articulates himself pretty well for a slow black man. HE BLACK!

i dont see jesse saying you have to be in the fallen state to get married

I wouldn't be able to link the times he said it on the radio show & church, but it was said multiple times

ive been watching jesse for awhile. it seems he says the contrary

I remember him saying that actually woke me up more, bc I was over here thinking that being a christian & seeing things as they are was enough

I've been watching him for a long time as well

if he has said that. then he has said the opposite more than that

lol

It's been as of late

he seems to say something that might be considered contradictory, but he seems to do that a lot in general but I get what he means

hmmm

it doesn't mean that children of god are in the fallen state the way the children of the lie are, it's not that extreme

but he's saying to have the desire for marriage still means you're missing something, so in respect you're in a fallen state still

and if you think about it, not just him but all men who were enlightened spoke of something similar & often didn't get married, they devoted themselves to god only

having the desire to get married and getting married are 2 different things

if you have the desire or want to seek marriage then yeh probably are in fallen state

Actually wait I remember a time he says it specifically on the radio show. He was talking to a black lady & she asked him why doesn't he get married & he told her that

lol

Right you just let it happen, the marriage

God puts the perfect husband/wife in your path