I mean, I see people saying 'the only right women got was the right to have a job', so.. xD

Pretty sure only rich women had the *privilege* of not working. What do you consider feminisms first act?

There's a great deal of feminists who have a problem with social norms, while that does apply to both sexes vaguely

I have a problem with the traditional upbringing that some girls get, as I did

can you elaborate a bit more? ^

im curious

Well, basically the traditional "housewife" upbringing

I have a problem with the amount of difference in the way the two sexes are raised

I have a very orthodox family and through my grandparents I've always been told that I should be a good cook, stay pretty and try to attract a husband

gotchu

im against that

assuming our current society of course

again

a woman may still want to go for that

but again in the traditional way everyone has something to lose

if a woman has to be a good housewife

then the man has to be a good provider

i also have a problem with the difference in how we raise girls and boys

i believe the whole feminist way of dealing with this is laughable

they want to teach boys to be effeminate

what id say we should do is raise both girls and boys to be "men"

to "grow up"

teach them respect, honor and how to be responsable

because although we do kind of do that with boys

sometimes in a toxic way

we never do that with girls

parents cater too much to girls

and thats not always a good thing

the longer you pamper a girl

the longer it will take her to realize how the world actually works

its a scary place

a rough place

maybe this is where all of the entitlement we see in todays society comes from

@leuxd As far as I've seen they celebrate getting the vote for women while, the whole time, ignoring the fact that men didn't have the vote. The Suffragettes were filthy rich terrorists who tried to kill people.

they strongly pushed for total war in 1914, and encouraged a full draft

the white feather campaign

Yep. They also were cited as a reason not to give women the vote. Cue them being labelled heroes by documentaries and school textbooks.

By the way guys. I want to know what you think we should call the channel known as <#523922218200203265> that used to be #general? Does the new name for more? Did the old name make it soubd too casual, or does the new one change the meaning too much?

i think "general"works because "debate" has a serious enough tone, but either one works.

@lurking365 hi there, welcome