i would say surrogacy (but it does have some cost to it)

but it's still cheaper then a wedding, a ring, years of leaches, and a divorce +child support and maybe alimony

Surrogacy takes care of getting kids, but what about a wife?

I think the deeper meaning is when

you betray your convictions and desires for others which is betraying oneself

why do you need a wife?

Because nature decided that both a mother and father are needed for raising children in a healthy manner.

Hah

Society decided differently

So you can give your kid to an irresponsible single mother or do your best yourself. "If you want something done right you have to do it yourself."

i would disagree and the but i need more coffee before i get into that

irresponsible single mother

*Spoiler alert*

so i will brb

Me and a few buddies of mine both experienced childhood with parents divorced, it was 50/50 all of us prefer our dads after being grown

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Take that for what you will @poizon

Single father wins out over single mother and The benefit of having both parents is debatable

It might be good for the man in terms of time management

Especially as far as human instinct is concerned, The necessity of both parents is debatable

Right

anywho, i see fathers as the needed in the household because father are usually the ones to deal with the situation when kids "buck up" on their parents in their teens, the mothers role is crucial at the early stages with things like Brest feeding and making sure the home is clean and safe so the child doesn't eat a crayon and die, now keep in mind that women have essentially liberated themselves out of the parental confines with the invention of formula, daycare, and them entering the workforce

most of the women who raise children don't fill the roll that women traditionally had

but that's just my thoughts on the issue, i do think single parents can do well if they approach the issue in the right way (fathers working from home, or made enough to fill the roll as provider when the child is young for example) the issue is that i don't think most single parents approach the issue in the right frame of mind, for example single mothers are usually too strict when it comes to discipline or too lax because they try to "be the man of the house" when their child bucks up on them, or they try to act as a friend to talk them down and both have there fair share of issues

thank you for coming to my ted talk

Haha. I see I see.

if you can put yourself in a position where you can take off lets say 7 years off work or work from home you should be able to raise the kid just fine

after that they will be in school so you can resume a normal job

Did @poizon get his gf pregnant? 😮

Haha no no

boy o boy i have a fucked up meme for that situation, but i can't post it D,:

I ask because I'm essentially a traditionalist in a way, but I don't believe in marriage the way our modern society has it set up so I'm wondering if there's a work around.

that's a rough one

Exactly

tbh even if you don't marry, and shit goes south she will end up with the kids, if you do marry and shit goes south she gets the kids and your shit

Exactly

lol get a nanny

That's what I'm thinking

Haha

Either way, the laws screw me for being a man and naturally wanting to be with a woman.