Message from @Fidel Castro
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>tik
lmao
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tik is a dumbass who said hitler was a socialist
yeah because he goes outside the internationalist marxist definition of socialism and uses the neoliberal one
marxism makes up the majority of socialist ideals but they by far are not the only ones
that's nonsense. If all the socialists said that by their definition he wasn't a socialist that is more important than neolibs who dont understand socialism
not all self-proclaimed socialist said so
all socialist parties opposed him
except his own
and the Strasserist
strasserists were purged
yeah, after the fact
but were talking about initial support here
even the strasserists were really just anti-semetic socdems and not entirely socialist in ideology
if we want to talk long plan, then in Mein Kamp he states that he wanted a german nation with complete control over their economy and production that was not dependant on any outside nation
He was a state capitalist
"complete control over their economy and production"
@Phalanx in the beginging he was an industrialist for sure
by that he meant ethnic german bourgeois controlled it
hitler was a class collaborationist
im pretty sure he meant by the nation state
like german capitalism in the 1930s were them trying to gain production
@RandomDiscordAccount I'd say at no point was he ever an actual Socialist since Socialism is inherently Marxist
hitler allowed the bourgeoisie to continue under him
To use a Neolibs definition of "Socialism" basically encapsulates 100's of ideologies that are nowhere close to Socialism
he just worked with them
it would be like calling Stalin a capitalist for selling grains internationally rather than feeding his starving rural population
and asked them to make things for him
@Phalanx the term socialism predates marx though which is why im iffy on giving marxist a monopoly on the term
Capitalism is about economy, which under Hitler was based on Capital
private businesses were the main driving force in the third reich's economy
@Fidel Castro no one disagrees
I don't think private businesses are compatible with Socialism
im explaining long term planning rather than short term industrialization
Well saying you're a Socialist and implementing a Socialist government are two different things