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tik is a dumbass who said hitler was a socialist

yeah because he goes outside the internationalist marxist definition of socialism and uses the neoliberal one

marxism makes up the majority of socialist ideals but they by far are not the only ones

that's nonsense. If all the socialists said that by their definition he wasn't a socialist that is more important than neolibs who dont understand socialism

not all self-proclaimed socialist said so

all socialist parties opposed him

except his own

and the Strasserist

strasserists were purged

yeah, after the fact

but were talking about initial support here

even the strasserists were really just anti-semetic socdems and not entirely socialist in ideology

if we want to talk long plan, then in Mein Kamp he states that he wanted a german nation with complete control over their economy and production that was not dependant on any outside nation

that's just self sufficiency / autarky not socialism

He was a state capitalist

"complete control over their economy and production"

@Phalanx in the beginging he was an industrialist for sure

by that he meant ethnic german bourgeois controlled it

hitler was a class collaborationist

im pretty sure he meant by the nation state

like german capitalism in the 1930s were them trying to gain production

@RandomDiscordAccount I'd say at no point was he ever an actual Socialist since Socialism is inherently Marxist

hitler allowed the bourgeoisie to continue under him

To use a Neolibs definition of "Socialism" basically encapsulates 100's of ideologies that are nowhere close to Socialism

he just worked with them

it would be like calling Stalin a capitalist for selling grains internationally rather than feeding his starving rural population

and asked them to make things for him

@Phalanx the term socialism predates marx though which is why im iffy on giving marxist a monopoly on the term

Capitalism is about economy, which under Hitler was based on Capital

private businesses were the main driving force in the third reich's economy

@Fidel Castro no one disagrees

I don't think private businesses are compatible with Socialism

im explaining long term planning rather than short term industrialization

Well saying you're a Socialist and implementing a Socialist government are two different things

even long term planning he would have kept around private industry

in fact he may have allowed it to become more privately owned once the war was over

we can hardly conclude that 15 years of office encapsulated the extent of the man's mind when he was preoccupied with the german race's future in the next centuries when they would go to an inevitable war with the yellow races

based on what i remember reading, i think otherwise

and during the last 5 years, we did see an uptick in nationalizing of industries

its whatever though