Go pull that case, Presser and then research the "Doctrine of Incorporation" and you will see what I mean

what is a high capacity? I had a standard in Kalifornia and didn't care cause if it was found that I had a magazine that was in violation of their laws... well lets say that was the least of my problems. fuck Kalifornia. I did obey the rest of there laws.

ban HC mags. They can band them all they want for shipping and handling.

I'd like an answer.

When was that case heard?

Sorry, 😉

2020.

You mean, like the answer you never gave me?

I did.

If you forgot.

"Citizen" "Citizen" "Citizen"

Ok... well duh.... yes as I said.... the 2nd Amendment was applied via the 14th Amendment

So YES... NOW... since the 14th Amendment the SCOTUS has incorporated all of the first 8 Amendments

Presser was in the 1800s

I mean, if you get to ignore earlier precedent, I can ignore your earlier precedent, just saying.

Can't just pick and choose at your will.

i don't get this crap about he 14th? What part are you talking about?

I didn't ignore anything... I don't think an earlier precedent exists that says what you think it does... but in any event it was not ME that ignored it (if it exists) it was the SCOTUS

Pull the PResser case... Im just 25... I was not around in 1866

I've literally shown you multiple instances of the founding fathers' statements.

Multiple of them, different fathers.

if you want to appeal to originalism, go to the source.

Not what you want the source to be.

I understand that you believe the 2nd Amendment applied to the States the day it was written. The Supreme Court has disagreed with you in several cases up until it was "incorporated"

Read the Presser case if you dont believe me

Don't take my word for it

Cool, but this again, does not go to the actual source of the constitution.

"I wanna be a chairborne ranger, coffee cup my only danger" ...
Oh, wait. I am. 15 cups today and I will be awake now until Sunday after next .

Look... I am not an idiot... but I am also not a Supreme Court Justice... what I am telling you is what THEY RULED over and over and over again for YEARS... until they finally incorporated the 2nd (and other amendments in the bill of rights) via The Doctrine of Incorporation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presser_v._Illinois

There is a desire by subordinate levels of government to monopolize the power of violence, and restrain it from the highest level of governing authority - the people.

@Maw ... I have NEVER seen ANY SCOTUS rule that the 2nd Amendment applied to the States the moment it was ratified. That has simply never happened.

If you think I am wrong locate the case.

I have provided you several that back up exactly what I am saying.

BTW - Very good discussion today between Eric Weinstein and Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck show.

NONE of the first 10 Amendments applied to the States until the started with the "Doctrine of Incorporation"

Again, you're appealing to SCOTUS rulings when we're talking about originalism.

Stop doing that.

Go to the source of the documents.

All of the states incorporated the Bill of Rights in variant wordings when they were established. It is only now that we have an Anti-American culture from the Urban Plantations that there is a problem.

No. I wont stop doing that... because you know what else that ORIGINAL document set up?

The SCOTUS and its job was to interpret the Constitution. In doing that CONSTITUTIONALLY created duty they ruled over and over that the first 10 Amendments did not apply to the States.

You are certainly free to disagree with every SCOTUS justice that has ever sat on the bench, if you wish. But given that same document that you keep talking about gave THEM and not you or I the job of interpreting it... I am gonna give them that leeway

And again... they do NOW... All of the first 8 Amendments have been either incorporated via the Doctrine of Corporation or the 14th Amendment.

I mean, they sort of reversed the prior decision in 2010, so what then?

except 9 and 10.... they still only apply to the Federal government