Message from @JD~Jordan

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2021-01-17 04:57:03 UTC  

Basically a portable cannon.

2021-01-17 04:57:23 UTC  

Of course... that is the first time the court ruled that way... if we use the logic they used to apply it then technically we could say that it applied to the States after the 14th Amendment was ratified..... but the SCOTUS just had not yet ruled on it

2021-01-17 04:58:41 UTC  

You see what I am saying?

If the SCOTUS said that the 2nd Amendment applies to the States via the 14th Amendment... then obviously it applied the moment the 14th was ratified... they court just did not have a case come before them until 2010

2021-01-17 05:00:53 UTC  

Sure. I still disagree that the founders didn't want to apply it to state law though, not that it's worth much in the scheme of things.

2021-01-17 05:02:14 UTC  

LOL... well ok.. but if that is the case then you are not as much disagreeing with me... but rather 150 years of SCOTUS rulings

2021-01-17 05:02:38 UTC  

Sure I'll disagree with SCOTUS rulings, quite a few I disagree with already.

2021-01-17 05:04:21 UTC  

Well... on that particular issue (the first 10 Amendments applying to the States) that was pretty roundly agreed upon. They didn't really like it that they didn't apply. You can tell that the SCOTUS really WANTED to apply them to the States which is why they came up with the Doctrine of Incorporation.

2021-01-17 05:04:36 UTC  

And if the courts remain as unbalanced as they are now, I'm sure you're going to disagree with a lot of SCOTUS rulings too.

2021-01-17 05:04:55 UTC  

No doubt about it

2021-01-17 05:05:08 UTC  

I can drive my car in all 50 states... why can I carry my..........

2021-01-17 05:05:12 UTC  

I will... Citizens United was a fucking horrible case

2021-01-17 05:05:32 UTC  

driving is a privalege. 2a is a right.

2021-01-17 05:05:35 UTC  

hmmm

2021-01-17 05:05:36 UTC  

um.... laws

2021-01-17 05:06:13 UTC  

what?

2021-01-17 05:06:43 UTC  

Laws is the reason... I mean I don't know how else to put it.

Are you not a proponent of State's Rights?

2021-01-17 05:06:53 UTC  

Indeed imagine for a moment if the first amendment was something the states had full power over.

2021-01-17 05:07:43 UTC  

I like states rights when they aren't inherently what we deem unalienable rights of citizens.

2021-01-17 05:08:52 UTC  

States can't pass law that is above the bill of rights yet they do.

2021-01-17 05:09:21 UTC  

laws laws laws

2021-01-17 05:09:32 UTC  

Yeppers... totally agree and so did the Court. I personally think the Court was right and as the Amendments were written especially when looking at the entire document the first 10 Amendment simply did not apply to the States.

They really really WANTED to start making sure that the States did not go all crazy nazi (before nazis existed) and protect the people a bit more

2021-01-17 05:11:10 UTC  

Well that is a matter of opinion.... It is true that the Federal Constitution is the floor as to rights so a State can give you MORE freedom than does the US Constitution but they can't take them away.

I just don't know of any laws that currently exist in any states that does away with any US Constitutional rights.

2021-01-17 05:11:34 UTC  

Citizens United was a Stupid decision. We can agree on that

2021-01-17 05:11:58 UTC  

what are you serious @JD~Jordan are you like bat shit crazy please explain again what you are trying to say with that!!! the 10th and all!!!

2021-01-17 05:12:03 UTC  

Its easily one of the worst decisions ever

2021-01-17 05:12:23 UTC  

No ad hominem attacks please.

2021-01-17 05:12:45 UTC  

I am saying that I do not know of any State law that is currently being enforced that violates the US Constitution.

2021-01-17 05:13:17 UTC  

Yes, the 10th does explicitly say "powers that are not limited by the constitution are the rights of the states."

2021-01-17 05:14:16 UTC  

Yeppers.... so the 9th and 10th Amendments still only apply to the Federal Government.

2021-01-17 05:14:29 UTC  

yep there are a few... how bout illinois foid card?

2021-01-17 05:14:55 UTC  

Eh? It literally suggests they intended to limit state power as well with the constitution, hence specifically saying 'as long as they're in line with the constitution'

2021-01-17 05:14:56 UTC  

I don't think it violates anything in the Constitution

2021-01-17 05:15:41 UTC  

Im not sure what you are asking. As of right now only 1 thru 8 apply (as to the bill of rights) to the states

2021-01-17 05:15:59 UTC  

The 10th is literally about states rights.

2021-01-17 05:16:58 UTC  

The powers not delegated to the United States by **the Constitution**, nor **prohibited by it** to **the States**, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

2021-01-17 05:17:01 UTC  

Well yes... the 9th and the 10th do nothing to restrict the States

2021-01-17 05:18:01 UTC  

it taxes or goes with a fee I don't know but I don't live there but does that not violate the 2a?

2021-01-17 05:18:01 UTC  

@Kaptain Tailhook, you just advanced to level 8!

2021-01-17 05:19:02 UTC  

No... I can't see how

2021-01-17 05:20:28 UTC  

Shall no be infringed???? is that not a problem I need a GD Card to get my Fing right do you not see a problem with that?

2021-01-17 05:22:50 UTC  

The 10th actually is a perfect example of the constitution's meaning that was to imply limitations on state's rights from the prior amendments.