Message from @JD~Jordan
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Basically a portable cannon.
Of course... that is the first time the court ruled that way... if we use the logic they used to apply it then technically we could say that it applied to the States after the 14th Amendment was ratified..... but the SCOTUS just had not yet ruled on it
You see what I am saying?
If the SCOTUS said that the 2nd Amendment applies to the States via the 14th Amendment... then obviously it applied the moment the 14th was ratified... they court just did not have a case come before them until 2010
Sure. I still disagree that the founders didn't want to apply it to state law though, not that it's worth much in the scheme of things.
LOL... well ok.. but if that is the case then you are not as much disagreeing with me... but rather 150 years of SCOTUS rulings
Sure I'll disagree with SCOTUS rulings, quite a few I disagree with already.
Well... on that particular issue (the first 10 Amendments applying to the States) that was pretty roundly agreed upon. They didn't really like it that they didn't apply. You can tell that the SCOTUS really WANTED to apply them to the States which is why they came up with the Doctrine of Incorporation.
And if the courts remain as unbalanced as they are now, I'm sure you're going to disagree with a lot of SCOTUS rulings too.
No doubt about it
I can drive my car in all 50 states... why can I carry my..........
I will... Citizens United was a fucking horrible case
driving is a privalege. 2a is a right.
hmmm
um.... laws
what?
Laws is the reason... I mean I don't know how else to put it.
Are you not a proponent of State's Rights?
Indeed imagine for a moment if the first amendment was something the states had full power over.
I like states rights when they aren't inherently what we deem unalienable rights of citizens.
States can't pass law that is above the bill of rights yet they do.
laws laws laws
Yeppers... totally agree and so did the Court. I personally think the Court was right and as the Amendments were written especially when looking at the entire document the first 10 Amendment simply did not apply to the States.
They really really WANTED to start making sure that the States did not go all crazy nazi (before nazis existed) and protect the people a bit more
Well that is a matter of opinion.... It is true that the Federal Constitution is the floor as to rights so a State can give you MORE freedom than does the US Constitution but they can't take them away.
I just don't know of any laws that currently exist in any states that does away with any US Constitutional rights.
Citizens United was a Stupid decision. We can agree on that
what are you serious @JD~Jordan are you like bat shit crazy please explain again what you are trying to say with that!!! the 10th and all!!!
Its easily one of the worst decisions ever
No ad hominem attacks please.
I am saying that I do not know of any State law that is currently being enforced that violates the US Constitution.
Yes, the 10th does explicitly say "powers that are not limited by the constitution are the rights of the states."
Yeppers.... so the 9th and 10th Amendments still only apply to the Federal Government.
yep there are a few... how bout illinois foid card?
Eh? It literally suggests they intended to limit state power as well with the constitution, hence specifically saying 'as long as they're in line with the constitution'
I don't think it violates anything in the Constitution
Im not sure what you are asking. As of right now only 1 thru 8 apply (as to the bill of rights) to the states
The 10th is literally about states rights.
The powers not delegated to the United States by **the Constitution**, nor **prohibited by it** to **the States**, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Well yes... the 9th and the 10th do nothing to restrict the States
it taxes or goes with a fee I don't know but I don't live there but does that not violate the 2a?
@Kaptain Tailhook, you just advanced to level 8!
No... I can't see how
Shall no be infringed???? is that not a problem I need a GD Card to get my Fing right do you not see a problem with that?
The 10th actually is a perfect example of the constitution's meaning that was to imply limitations on state's rights from the prior amendments.