Message from @Maw

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2021-01-15 21:34:10 UTC  

And it'd make more logical sense.

2021-01-15 21:34:22 UTC  

it honestly would since its only served the establishment

2021-01-15 22:24:49 UTC  

As Former LEO I can agree. I understand the movement because bad officers make every officer look bad. But I cannot and will not advocate for or support a movement that uses violence to spread its message. (Using violence and fear to spread a political message is the actual definition of terrorism)

2021-01-15 22:26:51 UTC  

Well, domestic terrorism anyway.

2021-01-15 22:31:01 UTC  

Per https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Terrorism
> The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives.

2021-01-15 22:33:49 UTC  

```(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and
``` See: (C)

2021-01-15 22:40:27 UTC  

Well... Fair enough... I was generalizing it, since the BLM movement actually affected some global companies/organizations. Including things like Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) which is the governing body for a lot of global motorsports. And the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

The definition of domestic terrorism is much more narrow that terrorism as a whole.

2021-01-15 22:40:53 UTC  

Don't think I've seen them going around blowing up people/buildings in other countries.

2021-01-15 22:41:05 UTC  

Might not want to water down that definition too much.

2021-01-15 22:41:05 UTC  

@Maw Here is why the 2nd Amendment only provides Constitutional level rights to gun ownership/possession as part of the need for a well regulated militia

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772982351520333824/799770162839683072/2nd_Am_for_Maw_partial_PDF.pdf

2021-01-15 22:41:18 UTC  

Its not long

2021-01-15 22:41:39 UTC  

I'll check it out in a bit.

2021-01-15 22:41:54 UTC  

But I'm sure I'm going to vehemently disagree.

2021-01-15 22:42:50 UTC  

As it literally says in the constitution that it's necessary for a free state, not free federal government. (Whatever that would even mean)

2021-01-15 22:43:06 UTC  

(As it's to protect states from the federal)

2021-01-15 22:45:57 UTC  

I am going to vehemently disagree.. The 2nd Amendment provides protections to the tools an Individual needs to defend themselves. The founding fathers sought a way to ensure that the Inherent right of self defense was enshrined in the Constitution as well as whatever tools a person uses to achieve self-preservation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8

2021-01-15 22:48:09 UTC  

Only partially correct. The idea was that the militia was the citizenry.

2021-01-15 22:48:28 UTC  

Remember, this choice of word was very different 250 years ago.

2021-01-15 22:48:37 UTC  

It was used informally.

2021-01-15 22:55:57 UTC  

The people were considered an unorganized militia.

2021-01-15 22:56:10 UTC  

I'd argue that the word militia only meant Men older than 16 at that time. But they were far different times than now. As well... But I would absolutely agree with your statement that its the right of the people to keep and bear arms. and that includes all citizens

2021-01-15 22:57:56 UTC  

```(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.```

2021-01-15 22:58:29 UTC  

Was the same sort of deal for conscription.

2021-01-15 23:01:02 UTC  

Given Court decisions like Warren V. DC I honestly can't believe anyone would think that Gun Control is a good thing

2021-01-15 23:02:02 UTC  

In fact there is a great case to cause a lot of people to get pissed off at the courts...

2021-01-15 23:02:08 UTC  

Remember, the national guard wasn't a thing for a long while.

2021-01-15 23:02:33 UTC  

Was literally citizen militias fighting the British.

2021-01-15 23:02:39 UTC  

Minutemen, etc.

2021-01-15 23:03:12 UTC  

Yup, the US didn't have much of a standing army or navy for a very long time

2021-01-15 23:03:19 UTC  

Um you can tell from my name that I served but I don't know what the founding fathers were thinking when they said Militia. I always thought it was a bunch of non military civilians. The National Guard is typically under the control of the governor and not the feds. Could they not be considered militia? Then also I believe the 2nd 1/2 is seperate from the 1st and rather clear shall not um I should need a permit to pack heat ANYWHERE I go.

2021-01-15 23:03:37 UTC  

It was, it was informally used at the time.

2021-01-15 23:03:47 UTC  

The citizenry was deemed to be the militia.

2021-01-15 23:04:05 UTC  

It's literally the "who" of who fought for the war of independence.

2021-01-15 23:04:17 UTC  

AKA: Civilians.

2021-01-15 23:07:11 UTC  

Alexander Hamilton: “…that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms.” (Federalist Paper #29)

2021-01-15 23:07:11 UTC  

@Turd Ferguson, you just advanced to level 4!

2021-01-15 23:08:18 UTC  

And as I linked before, Madison said the same thing.