Message from @bearlyalive

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2019-08-19 12:54:31 UTC  

Okay, so let's look at the govts solution to increaed spending so far (in the US). How was it financed? By lending money

2019-08-19 12:54:35 UTC  

I watched parts of tfm's monkeynomics video again, he actually mentioned that setting up accounts in tax havens would be the sensible thing to do

2019-08-19 12:55:03 UTC  

and if everything goes down, you just fly away and chill out on the beach xD

2019-08-19 12:55:11 UTC  

i need to rewatch it, he went into some good detail on why not to invest in real estate iirc

2019-08-19 12:55:56 UTC  

Oh, okay, I think i get it and where you might infer negative interest.

2019-08-19 12:56:07 UTC  

Let me reframe for you so the others understand.

2019-08-19 12:56:16 UTC  

So one key assumption of mine is that a govt can lend money from a central bank. Am I right here?

2019-08-19 12:56:20 UTC  

The Fed will never give an overt "negative" interest rate.

2019-08-19 12:56:33 UTC  

That would be paying others to use money. That won't work.

2019-08-19 12:56:45 UTC  

Welp Im in a flood

2019-08-19 12:56:48 UTC  

What will work is *inflation*

2019-08-19 12:56:54 UTC  

Nice Day

2019-08-19 12:57:06 UTC  

By printing more money and flooding the market, they effectively devalue older notes.

2019-08-19 12:57:19 UTC  

Yeah we went over inflation as well, that's just a band aid

2019-08-19 12:57:31 UTC  

If that holds up to be true, in a world with negative interest (that I could see coming, at least we EU fags alrdy have it here) you basically finance urself as a govtand get money for it. Am I a fan of that? HELL FUCKING NO!!!!! I see the risks associated with that

2019-08-19 12:57:43 UTC  

You can reverse calculate that as negative interest, but there's no way you'll get a loan, even to another bank, at -0.7%

2019-08-19 12:57:56 UTC  

Will it likely hold for a limited amount of time (maybe until the next BONKERS idea is found)? Prolly

2019-08-19 12:58:17 UTC  

"here, please use my money, it's literally burning a hole in my pockeet" does not exist.

2019-08-19 12:58:22 UTC  

Okay I see the argument with the inflation absolutely

2019-08-19 12:58:43 UTC  

just looks like a civilization in it's death throes to me

2019-08-19 12:58:44 UTC  

But here in the EU inflation has actually been going in the direction of deflation in spite of shitty neg intrst rates

2019-08-19 12:59:40 UTC  

Can you elaborate on the -0.7% thing? I can't quite follow you there

2019-08-19 12:59:53 UTC  

While real interest rates can be effectively negative if inflation exceeds the nominal interest rate, the nominal interest rate had been theoretically bounded by zero. Negative interest rates are often the result of a desperate and critical effort to boost economic growth through financial means.

2019-08-19 13:00:46 UTC  

Jesus... there's idiots that actually think this would work and they have power.

2019-08-19 13:01:38 UTC  

This is like pouring fertilizer on sand, and neglecting that you've either also poured petroleum on it or have no seeds there to begin with.

2019-08-19 13:02:03 UTC  

And Europe, Scandinavia, and Japan have done this.

2019-08-19 13:02:09 UTC  

yeah you're holding out for a miracle at this point

2019-08-19 13:02:13 UTC  

These people are fucking idiots.

2019-08-19 13:02:38 UTC  

i didn't think Japan was as bad off as EU and Scandinavia

2019-08-19 13:02:40 UTC  

Okay, bearly.

2019-08-19 13:02:44 UTC  

Can you tell me why the nominal interest rate is theoretically bound by zero?

2019-08-19 13:02:49 UTC  

You are a sick fuck.

2019-08-19 13:02:58 UTC  

I thought I knew the depths of humanities stupidity.

2019-08-19 13:03:04 UTC  

And you just revealed to me a whole new dungeon.

2019-08-19 13:03:06 UTC  

You jerk.

2019-08-19 13:03:10 UTC  

<:lolz:480186121897377792>

2019-08-19 13:03:20 UTC  

Me? Bitch I am trying to grasp a quite compley financial concept

2019-08-19 13:03:41 UTC  

This is literally me asking for you to provide me knowledge.

2019-08-19 13:03:48 UTC  

My instinct was on point, though. They are literally paying people to spend their money.

2019-08-19 13:04:16 UTC  

The idea is, if you make holding funds painful, people will buy shit.