unless i can secure it for them

and they are alright with taking care of me in exchange for that

What about when the pay is just survival in it of itself is what I’m saying, in that situation no one is winning or getting paid except in the time that they get to stay alive because nature

meh.

Everyone is assumed to have something that contributes to that survival

sure. maybe. i dont think most people will be worth anything in the situation where we need to survive

Hm there are several views to see it
You invested most of your assets in raising them and provide value as grandparents, e. G. By taking care of grandkids, while your kids are working etc...
I don't see anything wrong with that

Agreed

@conker you dont choose to be born

you dont choose to need someone to take care of you till your old enough

the people who have kids made the choice

Sure if you dont provide any value for your family... And are a pure burden, it's better to just disappear and let them life their life

if i have kids. its my choice to have kids. not their choice to be my kids

so i dont expect anything from them

Man family members are worse than random strangers on the street

and i will take care of them

@ＣＲＯＡＴ omg

because im the one who decided they exist

some of my family members would skin me while i was alive

survival of the fittest my dudes

Fathers usually don’t expect anything, mothers on the other hand ...

@Nawalter Jizney indeed

yea well. if i have kids with some bitch ill take care of her. at least until the kids are old enough to survive.

but shes gonna pulll her fucking weight or im dropping her.

My moms been telling me I’m gonna wipe her ass one day since I was 5

but again. this is assuming i would even have kids

which im not

@Nawalter Jizney thats what i call a selfish bitch

@shadowlessnexus OK.. Maybe that's your view of the world and I understand d it

in Slavic and Chinese families there is a totally different view on These things xd

no offense

None taken, I hate her

@conker i get that. and i disagree with it.

also remember that is practicality

back in 15th century china there are 50 bandit tribes right over that hill and your fucked

we arent in 15th century china anymore

machines take care of us

And look at the Slavic world and China

and anybody can pay for an old folks home that is decent if they arent retarded

Slavs are a balkanized train wreck.

now. should we go back to basics and everybody is fucked because theres no society then we can have that discussion then

@Xychotic China doing fairly good actually...