Message from @AnarchyDevin

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2019-06-13 12:06:05 UTC  

But anarchy is the lack of government

2019-06-13 12:06:22 UTC  

Leftism is totalitarian

2019-06-13 12:06:53 UTC  

It never lasts though. It may as well be left to the realm of fantasy like functioning and sustainable communism and socialism. About the only thing i disagree with is the liberation of women, cause as we all can see empowering women is a recipe for disaster.

2019-06-13 12:08:32 UTC  

Yeah as much as i don't want to admit it, for the most part we need some government to be a sustainable and lasting society.

2019-06-13 12:09:42 UTC  

If the people who do the work own the field they tend

2019-06-13 12:10:00 UTC  

If someone else owns the land and the produce then no, the people do not own it

2019-06-13 12:10:03 UTC  

The owner does

2019-06-13 12:13:00 UTC  

@GingerSnaps You can do left-right axis by the level of totalitarianism. Anarchy is actually on the far right end

2019-06-13 12:13:21 UTC  

Communism absolutely totalitarian

2019-06-13 12:14:34 UTC  

Well but don't forget the right can be totalitarian too, heard of Mussolini?

2019-06-13 12:15:29 UTC  

@AnarchyDevin Facists were actually socialist and belong on the far left. Same with the National Socialists (Nazi)

2019-06-13 12:15:57 UTC  

Anti-fa is actually the closest to fascists nowadays

2019-06-13 12:16:17 UTC  

What about Kingdoms?Napoleon?

2019-06-13 12:16:49 UTC  

I suppose you're right. Every left-right axis I've observed places anarchy as far left. But according to tfm's political trichotomy the extreme individualist right is anarcho-capitalism. So makes sense. I trust tfm more than my highschool teachers. Lol

2019-06-13 12:16:53 UTC  

That is feudalism, completely different

2019-06-13 12:17:20 UTC  

I like tfm too mate

2019-06-13 12:17:22 UTC  

It depends what scale you're looking at

2019-06-13 12:17:57 UTC  

i dont like the left right scale

2019-06-13 12:18:01 UTC  

@Whats gay anymore With feudalism?

2019-06-13 12:18:17 UTC  

i prefer the 4 sector one

2019-06-13 12:18:25 UTC  

Ah, well you can look at anarchy through history and almost every time it's pure Darwinism, see I define the Right as those that understand and do not prevent social hierarchies from forming

2019-06-13 12:18:57 UTC  

The left is all about making nobody lose in a system-basically competition is cruel

2019-06-13 12:19:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471844105463529472/588703993950240785/200px-Political_Compass_yellow_LibRight_v2.png

2019-06-13 12:19:33 UTC  

This makes the most sense to me

2019-06-13 12:19:36 UTC  

instead of just left and right

2019-06-13 12:20:09 UTC  

Except when has leftism been libertarian?

2019-06-13 12:20:40 UTC  

Leftists don't care about freedom, they think it's oppression (seriously)

2019-06-13 12:20:49 UTC  

modern day leftists

2019-06-13 12:20:54 UTC  

you wouldn't find them down there

2019-06-13 12:21:16 UTC  

it's like self ownership egalitarianism

2019-06-13 12:21:40 UTC  

I mean sure, Marx did view freedom as the most important part of human rights

2019-06-13 12:22:03 UTC  

The left and right should be replaced with collectivism and individualism

2019-06-13 12:22:27 UTC  

Kind of counterintuitive for a communist if you ask me.

2019-06-13 12:22:27 UTC  

that's essentially how i interpret it now

2019-06-13 12:22:52 UTC  

i imagine it's the least fallen into part of the 4 sectors for sure lol

2019-06-13 12:23:16 UTC  

ndividualism is often defined in contrast to totalitarianism, collectivism, and more corporate social forms

2019-06-13 12:23:30 UTC  

Yet it's the most common part for people who take the test to fall into

2019-06-13 12:24:11 UTC  

like, right near centre or far left libertarians?

2019-06-13 12:24:37 UTC  

Because contemporary morality falls in that quadrant

2019-06-13 12:25:02 UTC  

Not exactly near the center or far left

2019-06-13 12:27:59 UTC  

I saw a similar representation as the one @Whats gay anymore posted, but with a circle. Collectivism and individualism were in the far left and far right respectively