Message from @President-Elect bhcowboy

Discord ID: 778361527852859412


2020-11-17 17:44:23 UTC  

communism that is decentralized would be the future of humanity imo

2020-11-17 17:44:29 UTC  

change would come gradually

2020-11-17 17:44:38 UTC  

anti-authoritarian communism

2020-11-17 17:45:20 UTC  

Possibly yes. I notice most science fiction stories depict a kind of Socialist utopia or dystopia. Likely not a coincidence.

2020-11-17 17:45:57 UTC  

the individual, not the state is where power should be vested in

2020-11-17 17:46:29 UTC  

Future technology makes what seems improbable now more likely

2020-11-17 17:46:48 UTC  

the transitionary stage would be free-market socialism without rulers

2020-11-17 17:47:05 UTC  

A nanotech assembler in each household that could make almost anything needed just input raw materials

2020-11-17 17:47:09 UTC  

As an example

2020-11-17 17:47:18 UTC  

personal property aka property that does not exploit others, would stay yours

2020-11-17 17:47:24 UTC  

aka your house would stay yours

2020-11-17 17:47:28 UTC  

Mmhmm

2020-11-17 17:48:19 UTC  

the goal would be to promote freedom and equality in all spheres of human existence

2020-11-17 17:50:46 UTC  

marx

2020-11-17 17:50:48 UTC  

's

2020-11-17 17:50:54 UTC  

communism is authoritarian

2020-11-17 17:54:19 UTC  

Yahs I have a problem with authoritarianism.

2020-11-17 17:54:41 UTC  

And social hierarchy

2020-11-17 18:09:20 UTC  

The soviet union and china show the failures of Marxism

2020-11-17 18:44:55 UTC  

> The soviet union and china show the failures of Marxism
@eh Ⓐ Agreed

2020-11-17 20:50:49 UTC  

> @Mine Excadrill ancaps are not anarchist
@eh Ⓐ I firstly want to say I'm not anarchist at all, but in my personal opinion ancaps are more anarchist than anarcho communists. Because in order to have communism you must have a state to control the distribution of wealth and the production of goods. In an anarcho-communist system well there is no government so what government will control the production?

2020-11-17 20:51:17 UTC  

> @eh Ⓐ I firstly want to say I'm not anarchist at all, but in my personal opinion ancaps are more anarchist than anarcho communists. Because in order to have communism you must have a state to control the distribution of wealth and the production of goods. In an anarcho-communist system well there is no government so what government will control the production?
@President-Elect bhcowboy the state is not needed for communism

2020-11-17 20:51:22 UTC  

eg your family is a commune

2020-11-17 20:51:34 UTC  

is the state in your family?

2020-11-17 20:51:38 UTC  

But you can't have wide spread communism

2020-11-17 20:51:48 UTC  

communes should be decentralized

2020-11-17 20:52:14 UTC  

I see your point but it still necessarily isn't communism

2020-11-17 20:52:35 UTC  

Communism must have a state.

2020-11-17 20:52:37 UTC  

anarchism was first used to describe libertarian socialism

2020-11-17 20:53:01 UTC  

But still communism must have a state

2020-11-17 20:53:09 UTC  

Karl Marx would agree

2020-11-17 20:53:16 UTC  

Anyway I have to go

2020-11-17 20:53:40 UTC  

karl marx isn't the founder of ancom

2020-11-17 20:53:46 UTC  

it's peter kropotkin

2020-11-17 20:53:58 UTC  

proudhon criticized marx

2020-11-17 20:59:35 UTC  

I know this

2020-11-17 21:00:08 UTC  

My point was to have true socialism or communism you must have a state

2020-11-18 02:13:36 UTC  

This is the second leftist I found in this server today <:benshapirolasereyes:736783642205880320>

2020-11-18 02:14:07 UTC  

Been subbed to Zeducation for a while now, only just decided to join the Discord today

2020-11-18 02:14:23 UTC  

Was a conservative before a lefty