hell, the YF-23 is supposed to be alot better than the F-22. but due to cost issues the F-22 was ultimately chosen

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i think the YF-23 would be better for the USAF's doctrine

The F-22 was always going to beat the YF-23. Marketing your product and showing what it can do is paramount.

Lockheed went above and beyond. Northrop did not.

well, the 2 had the same amount of marketting, but the technology put into the YF-23 was ultimately too costly at the time of trials

But there was something missed. They didn't show its capabilities. Martin did.

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well they did, hell the YF-23 is supposed to have a faster supercruise mode than the F-22 does, and the F-22's is already one of the fastest out there

i think the YF-23 also had better stealth

it did

but again, was too expensive compaired to the F-22 at the time

like the MBT-70 was for its time

well, not really

Let's just build an x-wing

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the MBT-70/KpMz-70 had a whole host of problems not related to its cost

I mean what can go wrong?!

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one of the issues of the MBT-70 was that, due to the entire crew being placed inside the turret, the drivers would experience nausea whenever driving and the turret was turrned

another issue was with its Caseless ammunition leaving behind massive amounts of residue that made the gun inoperable after a few uses

and the final issue was doctrine clashes between the US and Germany

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well, only a few versions of it had a 20mm

my question is: why arent there 20mm machine guns on modern mbts?

the reason? turrets need to be as compact as possible but enough enough room for the gun itself and the crew, a 20mm autocannon, even a low pressure one, would take up way too much space inside the tank to really be of use

France tho with the modern AMX series did have a 20mm coaxial, which was more to be used as a rangefinder instead of an MG

but their tanks turret was, well it wasnt exactly compact and wasnt exactly well armored

you can see just how massive the coaxial is in this pic

Now we're talking about a tank? Gah you're too fast.

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speaking of stuff that isnt well armored

hey someone mentioned a tank

what about the new north korean tank?

with its smoke launchers in the turret

isnt that a pretty massive armor flaw?

not exactly

this concept has already been played around with other stuff, like the Polish PL-01 prototype stealth tank

looks like a modern CV-90

well, the idea of the PL-01 was to be built onto the Anders light tank platform (which is already a pretty decent tank platform for what it is) and modify it to use technologies based off of Aircraft stealth tech, its sharp edges to bounce radar sigs and its black paint to absorb some of it