Message from @Mnr. Vlakvark

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2020-11-06 10:06:20 UTC  

It's a common mistake in western apologetics circles but it still huets to see

2020-11-06 10:06:25 UTC  

Mind if I elaborate?

2020-11-06 10:06:54 UTC  

Alrighty give me a second

2020-11-06 10:07:02 UTC  

My pc is starting

2020-11-06 10:07:11 UTC  

If I may asm what's your views before we get started?

2020-11-06 10:07:28 UTC  

I'm an Orthodox Christian nationalist in South Africa

2020-11-06 10:08:12 UTC  

Also a latent socialist nut that isn't too relevant now

2020-11-06 10:08:21 UTC  

Alright

2020-11-06 10:11:47 UTC  

1. Alright so this entire verse is a meditation by the son of King David, King Solomon.

The book of ecclesiastes is essentially a stoic text written by a primitive man 4000 years ago who had a restricted view of science

2020-11-06 10:12:15 UTC  

It should be interpreted with the same degree of scrutiny as any work of poetry written by a person of this time

2020-11-06 10:12:32 UTC  

And any Christian who takes this as infallible proof that the earth is an ever existing planet is ridiculous

2020-11-06 10:12:42 UTC  

I haven't met any scholars who would do this, either way

2020-11-06 10:13:33 UTC  

It's clear that Solomon spoke from the perspective of a man, and the entire book stretches on our insignificance as from his perspective

2020-11-06 10:13:41 UTC  

I'll get to the rest don't worry

2020-11-06 10:13:46 UTC  

I'm more on your side than you think btw

2020-11-06 10:14:02 UTC  

I have very serious gripes with how "christians" live according to scripture in the west

2020-11-06 10:14:12 UTC  

I nearly assaulted a pastor last sunday actually

2020-11-06 10:14:52 UTC  

2 Peter 3:10 seems to be speaking of when the world ends and such, so I won't get into that because of my previous point

2020-11-06 10:15:08 UTC  

we have entire chapters in the bible describing how the world will transition to a next state of existence

2020-11-06 10:15:17 UTC  

so Solomon was bluntly wrong

2020-11-06 10:15:34 UTC  

The reason I bring up Muslims and the Qu'uran is because they hold the Qu'uran as the direct word of their God

2020-11-06 10:15:47 UTC  

we Christians actually compiled our bible for shits and giggles to be an aid in the litturgy

2020-11-06 10:15:59 UTC  

but with modernism the average guy turned it into a Quuran and a self study book

2020-11-06 10:16:27 UTC  

I still advocate that people study scripture, some stuff can even be very enlightening to atheist especially the philosophical stuff, but within the right context

2020-11-06 10:16:40 UTC  

Either way, the point of no man having seen God

2020-11-06 10:16:50 UTC  

***2.“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
3.“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26***

2020-11-06 10:17:20 UTC  

This John 18 verse actually reads like this when you write it out:

2020-11-06 10:18:00 UTC  

*No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.*

2020-11-06 10:18:15 UTC  

This is actually where we start to talk about the trinity and such

2020-11-06 10:19:13 UTC  

western*

2020-11-06 10:19:15 UTC  

I'm eastern

2020-11-06 10:19:34 UTC  

another translations reads it *No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.*

2020-11-06 10:19:37 UTC  

np np

2020-11-06 10:19:58 UTC  

The verse when you write out the entire thing says Christ essentially showed God to people

2020-11-06 10:20:03 UTC  

people see God through Christ, thus

2020-11-06 10:20:10 UTC  

which is cohesive with Christology

2020-11-06 10:20:24 UTC  

Older forms of Christianity (eastern) hold that if you see God, you die

2020-11-06 10:20:48 UTC  

essentially, this is because God is a pure unyielding source of energy which rips apart our entire psyche upon interaction

2020-11-06 10:20:59 UTC  

In that verse in Genesis, God reveals himself to Abraham as a man

2020-11-06 10:21:08 UTC  

much like God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden

2020-11-06 10:21:18 UTC  

this is because it was always Christ