Message from @Mnr. Vlakvark
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It's a common mistake in western apologetics circles but it still huets to see
Mind if I elaborate?
Alrighty give me a second
My pc is starting
If I may asm what's your views before we get started?
I'm an Orthodox Christian nationalist in South Africa
Also a latent socialist nut that isn't too relevant now
Alright
1. Alright so this entire verse is a meditation by the son of King David, King Solomon.
The book of ecclesiastes is essentially a stoic text written by a primitive man 4000 years ago who had a restricted view of science
It should be interpreted with the same degree of scrutiny as any work of poetry written by a person of this time
And any Christian who takes this as infallible proof that the earth is an ever existing planet is ridiculous
I haven't met any scholars who would do this, either way
It's clear that Solomon spoke from the perspective of a man, and the entire book stretches on our insignificance as from his perspective
I'll get to the rest don't worry
I'm more on your side than you think btw
I have very serious gripes with how "christians" live according to scripture in the west
I nearly assaulted a pastor last sunday actually
2 Peter 3:10 seems to be speaking of when the world ends and such, so I won't get into that because of my previous point
we have entire chapters in the bible describing how the world will transition to a next state of existence
so Solomon was bluntly wrong
The reason I bring up Muslims and the Qu'uran is because they hold the Qu'uran as the direct word of their God
we Christians actually compiled our bible for shits and giggles to be an aid in the litturgy
but with modernism the average guy turned it into a Quuran and a self study book
I still advocate that people study scripture, some stuff can even be very enlightening to atheist especially the philosophical stuff, but within the right context
Either way, the point of no man having seen God
***2.“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
3.“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26***
This John 18 verse actually reads like this when you write it out:
*No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.*
This is actually where we start to talk about the trinity and such
western*
I'm eastern
another translations reads it *No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.*
np np
The verse when you write out the entire thing says Christ essentially showed God to people
people see God through Christ, thus
which is cohesive with Christology
Older forms of Christianity (eastern) hold that if you see God, you die
essentially, this is because God is a pure unyielding source of energy which rips apart our entire psyche upon interaction
In that verse in Genesis, God reveals himself to Abraham as a man
much like God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden
this is because it was always Christ