Message from @Draconem_Dominus

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2020-11-08 00:10:46 UTC  

The Pope said it was okay

2020-11-08 00:10:47 UTC  

Nor that he died for the sins of those in the future, for how could he have foreseen this

2020-11-08 00:10:48 UTC  

so

2020-11-08 00:11:19 UTC  

He couldn't have died for your sins if he wasn't the Son of God. He couldn't have done any of the things that he did if he wasn't the Son of God.

2020-11-08 00:11:20 UTC  

That part comes down to the fact we believe Jesus was fully God and fully man.

2020-11-08 00:11:23 UTC  

Pope is catholic I thought

2020-11-08 00:11:29 UTC  

It is

2020-11-08 00:12:09 UTC  

Yes, it's not important for this but Catholics beliefs differ from Protestants own many things.

2020-11-08 00:12:42 UTC  

Yes, we do differ.

2020-11-08 00:12:42 UTC  

I suppose then that I do believe in Jesus and his sacrifice, it’s just god and some Christians themselves I have issues with

2020-11-08 00:13:14 UTC  

I can see now that what I saw as Christianity was only one side of it though

2020-11-08 00:13:27 UTC  

The worse side unfortunately

2020-11-08 00:13:29 UTC  

God created everything, including time, space, and matter. To do so, He would need to exist outside of time, space, and matter.
The first words in the Bible: "In the begging God created the heavens and the earth. "
"In the beginning" is time, "heaven" that's space, and "earth" is matter

2020-11-08 00:13:47 UTC  

Most Christians are loving and accepting no matter what.

2020-11-08 00:14:19 UTC  

Remember, Christians are still humans. We are not perfect and are not always the best ambassadors for Christ. This is why we need Jesus.

2020-11-08 00:14:53 UTC  

That’s true

2020-11-08 00:15:07 UTC  

That's also why we need to take our own time to read the Bible and learn about him. And go to others when we have questions

2020-11-08 00:17:03 UTC  

So if Jesus is the Son of God, He would also be like this, and know the future.
As for the claim that Jesus is the Son of God, He did several miracles to prove this. His Apostles believed Him to the extent that all but one of them died for refusing to say otherwise. And the last was exiled on an island

2020-11-08 00:17:22 UTC  

That’s also true

2020-11-08 00:19:29 UTC  

They had nothing to gain from lying. So they must've believed Him.
They witnessed many of the miracles Jesus did, such as Jesus Himself coming to see them after He had died, through a locked door, with the nail holes still in Him

2020-11-08 00:19:46 UTC  

I guess I can explain my stance on religion a little. I believe that there is a higher power, and that every religion basically has a personification of the universe as an eternal being and omniscient presence, and that all religions are right and wrong in their own ways but reflect the same thing no matter who they worshipped, that thing being the universe. I think some religions took it a step further because they needed more structure and security in their existence, and that’s fine, but I think all people need to find their own path of worship, as all worship goes to the same being and thus all worship is acceptable and good

2020-11-08 00:20:38 UTC  

I have 2 responses to that

2020-11-08 00:21:00 UTC  

If you compare religions, many of them have plenty of similarities as well as differences that can be explained by location and time period it was developed during, but that they all lead to the same place in the end

2020-11-08 00:21:50 UTC  

One, Christianity is the only one that your works don't matter whatsoever to your salvation. We are saved by grace through faith. As in, by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ

2020-11-08 00:23:23 UTC  

Trying to do works to get into Heaven (as with all the others) would be as if you robbed a bank, shot the guard, but gave all the money with some of your own to the needy. The judge will still judge you on your crimes

2020-11-08 00:23:36 UTC  

Now, that isn't to say what we do with our lives don't matter. Because it very much does.

2020-11-08 00:23:48 UTC  

Yes

2020-11-08 00:24:00 UTC  

But our works come after our salvation

2020-11-08 00:24:13 UTC  

We do good because we are saved, not to get saved

2020-11-08 00:24:30 UTC  

That’s a concept I’ve honestly only heard here

2020-11-08 00:24:40 UTC  

I guess the Christians I met were poor examples

2020-11-08 00:24:56 UTC  

Because I have never heard a Christian in my life say that

2020-11-08 00:25:00 UTC  

Unfortunately, many are

2020-11-08 00:26:02 UTC  

This is a very interesting conversation, thanks for taking part in it honestly :) this is pretty eye opening in some cases, and I will do more research into Christianity as a result as well as the other religions I’m looking into

2020-11-08 00:26:29 UTC  

They are likely what are called "False Converts"
This is when a person 'gets saved' either being not truly accepting the gift of salvation, or by being told false doctrine

2020-11-08 00:26:51 UTC  

Or it could be that they were just bad at teaching

2020-11-08 00:27:25 UTC  

True

2020-11-08 00:28:18 UTC  

Also, many of us Christians don't call ourselves a religion. Religion can be corrupted and false. We take Christianity as a relationship with our Savior Jesus Christ

2020-11-08 00:28:38 UTC  

We just refer to it as a relationship with God.

2020-11-08 00:28:49 UTC  

That’s pretty neat actually

2020-11-08 00:28:54 UTC  

I like that