Why the Hell would you need help to pray

We're sinful, not retarded

John 4:16, again

All we are doing is asking them to pray for us

Why

Why

Why

Say you're going through difficult times and you ask your relative to pray for you. You're doing the same with praying to saints, in asking them to pray to God for you.

Have you never asked for someone to pray for you?

Anyway, nice conversation

I love Jesus

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> @DeButcher you are partially correct. All saints besides Mary sinned at some point or another.
@MKSmash
Could u quote scripture to prove your statement.

I'm assuming here. Maybe there's saints that didn't sin but I doubt it.
However, most saints came after the bible.

> This is where we have to be careful with wording. We pray to her for intercession on her behalf to God
@MKSmash
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

All we are doing is asking saints to pray for us.

I don't know how the Bible says that's wrong

Who are saints, i think our discussion is missing something. @MKSmash

Saints are just people who are in heaven

How did they get there

By living holy lives

I agree but could u explain a little more.

What would you like me to explain more? How do they become officially recognized as saints by the church?

Yeah , if im correct, Catholic believe that saint must something great in order to be a saint, so im curious.

I don't remember the specific criteria, but I believe they have to have miracles attributed to them and some other things

Let me see what I can find

Ok sure

"The person must show Christian virtues, at least to an ordinary extent, before and after offering their life. They must have a 'reputation for holiness'at least after their death. They must have performed a miracle. This is a major difference from the 'martyrdom'category, which does not require a miracle."

Found that online

@DeButcher

Well in the bible, Saints is anyone who has a living relationship with God through his mercy and grace expressed in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. @MKSmash

> Well in the bible, Saints is anyone who has a living relationship with God through his mercy and grace expressed in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. @MKSmash
@DeButcher a saint has to be dead. Where did you find/learn this?

Where in the bible does it say the saint has to be dead? @MKSmash

It doesn't
Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time

So my bishop closed down all the churches in the diocese because there has been a “spike” in COVID cases. Even though it is only in the big city of our diocese and not in the rest of the counties in our diocese

> It doesn't
> Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
@MKSmash
Who established it?

What do you mean?
Who established the rules for sainthood?

Yeah

Dont understand why the Catholic add things to Christianity.

Catholicism didn't add to Christianity, christianity added to Catholicism 😂

I don't know who did the rules, I just know official canonizations began in the 10th century