Message from @MKSmash
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Nope
Inaccurate
Just not the doctrine
“You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me."
Exodus 20:3-5 NIV
I don't see how this applies. We only worship God(/Jesus/Holy Spirit)
>says the people who pray to saints, popes, confession stands, and other intercessant fakes
"Jesus answered, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really know Me, you will know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.” - John 14:6-7 NIV
“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and He is in Beaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah." - Matthew 23:8-10
Dont worry I'm not done
> >says the people who pray to saints, popes, confession stands, and other intercessant fakes
We do this for their help
Prayer does not equal worship
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time." - Timothy 2:5-6 NIV
"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus." - Ephesians 1:1
Why the Hell would you need help to pray
We're sinful, not retarded
John 4:16, again
All we are doing is asking them to pray for us
Why
Why
Why
Say you're going through difficult times and you ask your relative to pray for you. You're doing the same with praying to saints, in asking them to pray to God for you.
Anyway, nice conversation
I love Jesus
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> @DeButcher you are partially correct. All saints besides Mary sinned at some point or another.
@MKSmash
Could u quote scripture to prove your statement.
I'm assuming here. Maybe there's saints that didn't sin but I doubt it.
However, most saints came after the bible.
> This is where we have to be careful with wording. We pray to her for intercession on her behalf to God
@MKSmash
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
All we are doing is asking saints to pray for us.
I don't know how the Bible says that's wrong
Who are saints, i think our discussion is missing something. @MKSmash
Saints are just people who are in heaven
How did they get there
By living holy lives
I agree but could u explain a little more.
What would you like me to explain more? How do they become officially recognized as saints by the church?
Yeah , if im correct, Catholic believe that saint must something great in order to be a saint, so im curious.
I don't remember the specific criteria, but I believe they have to have miracles attributed to them and some other things
Let me see what I can find
Ok sure
"The person must show Christian virtues, at least to an ordinary extent, before and after offering their life. They must have a 'reputation for holiness'at least after their death. They must have performed a miracle. This is a major difference from the 'martyrdom'category, which does not require a miracle."
Found that online