Message from @MKSmash

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2020-11-08 20:48:57 UTC  

Nope
Inaccurate

2020-11-08 20:49:04 UTC  

Just not the doctrine

2020-11-08 20:50:22 UTC  

“You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me."
Exodus 20:3‭-‬5 NIV

2020-11-08 20:51:22 UTC  

I don't see how this applies. We only worship God(/Jesus/Holy Spirit)

2020-11-08 20:52:23 UTC  

>says the people who pray to saints, popes, confession stands, and other intercessant fakes

2020-11-08 20:52:51 UTC  

"Jesus answered, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really know Me, you will know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.” - John 14:6‭-‬7 NIV

2020-11-08 20:54:29 UTC  

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and He is in Beaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah." - Matthew 23:8‭-‬10

2020-11-08 20:54:52 UTC  

Dont worry I'm not done

2020-11-08 20:55:10 UTC  

> >says the people who pray to saints, popes, confession stands, and other intercessant fakes
We do this for their help

2020-11-08 20:55:29 UTC  

Prayer does not equal worship

2020-11-08 20:56:10 UTC  

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time." - Timothy 2:5‭-‬6 NIV

2020-11-08 20:57:38 UTC  

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,  to the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus." - Ephesians 1:1

2020-11-08 20:57:57 UTC  

Why the Hell would you need help to pray

2020-11-08 20:58:04 UTC  

We're sinful, not retarded

2020-11-08 20:58:32 UTC  

John 4:16, again

2020-11-08 20:59:25 UTC  

All we are doing is asking them to pray for us

2020-11-08 20:59:51 UTC  

Why

2020-11-08 20:59:52 UTC  

Why

2020-11-08 20:59:53 UTC  

Why

2020-11-08 21:00:18 UTC  

Say you're going through difficult times and you ask your relative to pray for you. You're doing the same with praying to saints, in asking them to pray to God for you.

2020-11-08 21:01:20 UTC  

Have you never asked for someone to pray for you?

2020-11-08 21:03:55 UTC  

Anyway, nice conversation

2020-11-08 21:38:58 UTC  

I love Jesus

2020-11-08 22:00:59 UTC  

^

2020-11-08 22:11:44 UTC  

> @DeButcher you are partially correct. All saints besides Mary sinned at some point or another.
@MKSmash
Could u quote scripture to prove your statement.

2020-11-08 22:12:52 UTC  

I'm assuming here. Maybe there's saints that didn't sin but I doubt it.
However, most saints came after the bible.

2020-11-08 22:13:11 UTC  

> This is where we have to be careful with wording. We pray to her for intercession on her behalf to God
@MKSmash
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

2020-11-08 22:15:10 UTC  

All we are doing is asking saints to pray for us.

2020-11-08 22:15:27 UTC  

I don't know how the Bible says that's wrong

2020-11-08 22:16:12 UTC  

Who are saints, i think our discussion is missing something. @MKSmash

2020-11-08 22:16:30 UTC  

Saints are just people who are in heaven

2020-11-08 22:16:42 UTC  

How did they get there

2020-11-08 22:16:53 UTC  

By living holy lives

2020-11-08 22:19:11 UTC  

I agree but could u explain a little more.

2020-11-08 22:20:09 UTC  

What would you like me to explain more? How do they become officially recognized as saints by the church?

2020-11-08 22:21:11 UTC  

Yeah , if im correct, Catholic believe that saint must something great in order to be a saint, so im curious.

2020-11-08 22:22:08 UTC  

I don't remember the specific criteria, but I believe they have to have miracles attributed to them and some other things

2020-11-08 22:22:14 UTC  

Let me see what I can find

2020-11-08 22:22:33 UTC  

Ok sure

2020-11-08 22:25:46 UTC  

"The person must show Christian virtues, at least to an ordinary extent, before and after offering their life. They must have a 'reputation for holiness'at least after their death. They must have performed a miracle. This is a major difference from the 'martyrdom'category, which does not require a miracle."

2020-11-08 22:25:52 UTC  

Found that online