Saints are an earthly ideology. No man has ever been sinless other than Jesus

Give froshe time to respond lol

I can tell you what I believe but I’m really not in a mood to be attacked for my beliefs. I can see we have different views and I’m happy to clarify what’s different, but let’s please be respectful 🙂

Sorry if it seems like we are attacking you

I don't see any attacking. Only conversation

Same

If no one is insulting a person personally then there’s no attacking, just arguing/debating

Hey remember when Jesus says "who is without sin cast the first stone" and the priest were near him

It’s cause the Pharisees were hypocrites

They said to follow the laws but they themselves did not

Democrats are modern day Pharisees

So true

The dems are anti religion

Ok. So I believe in a communion of saints in heaven. Just as we are uplifted and strengthened but a faithful community on earth, I believe the same is true in heaven. The saints act as vehicles to help understand god and his will, not as objects of worship. I don’t believe that praying to saints is blasphemous or in contrary to the commandment to not put false gods before my lord because I do not think the saints are gods. Just as I would ask a friend to pray for me, pray for a sick family member, or pray for an end to abortion, I ask the saints to intercede for me. Though they were not perfect on earth, they are made perfect in their ascension to heaven- nothing impure enters heaven, which is why I believe in purgatory- an opportunity for purification and redemption before entering heaven. Questions?

Why have purgatory when you have an entire life to get saved?

Well you can't pary after death, saints have no power at all they are just like me and you

There no such thing there is even a verse that says you can't pray after death so saints can't ethier they are human not superior humans they are regular humans

Pray* lol

Opps

I haven’t read anything in the Bible about saints being special, except maybe Elijah getting taken to heaven

Because humans are imperfect. There is impurity that seeps into even the most perfect lives. I believe that god is ever merciful. Purgatory is a place where those who have been unable to go to confession or do penance for all their sins can be purified and forgiven before entering into heaven. I believe it is honestly a sign of justice. God forgives humans- those on deaths row and those with near perfect lives. If they truly seek the kingdom of heaven, I believe it is more just that they are in purgatory and do penance as god sees fit before entering the kingdoms heaven.

what does "saint" even mean

Even then, he isn't any different

well, purgatory is a catholic church invention

What is penance

It was only invented to get people to pay the church

like repent

A saint is a human who has entered heaven, whether we know it or not. There are some humans we believe have entered into heaven because of how they lived their lives, like Mary

no one entered "heaven"

everyone is asleep waiting

No one enters Heaven through works

works? you mean obediance

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Purgatory doesn't even exist many bible verse prove it

You can only get to Heaven through faith

do i dont have to obey,, got it

why would there be rules, if we dont need them

Like Mary Jesus got upset with mary

Penance is basically your payment for your sins. When I go to confession or reconciliation, I follow up with penance like extra service, extra prayer, etc so that I may be truly saved from my sinful nature

You can't pay for sins

you canrt pray your way into being good.. you cant do extra work like that