Message from @Froshe
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I haven’t read anything in the Bible about saints being special, except maybe Elijah getting taken to heaven
Because humans are imperfect. There is impurity that seeps into even the most perfect lives. I believe that god is ever merciful. Purgatory is a place where those who have been unable to go to confession or do penance for all their sins can be purified and forgiven before entering into heaven. I believe it is honestly a sign of justice. God forgives humans- those on deaths row and those with near perfect lives. If they truly seek the kingdom of heaven, I believe it is more just that they are in purgatory and do penance as god sees fit before entering the kingdoms heaven.
what does "saint" even mean
Even then, he isn't any different
well, purgatory is a catholic church invention
What is penance
It was only invented to get people to pay the church
like repent
A saint is a human who has entered heaven, whether we know it or not. There are some humans we believe have entered into heaven because of how they lived their lives, like Mary
no one entered "heaven"
everyone is asleep waiting
No one enters Heaven through works
works? you mean obediance
?
Purgatory doesn't even exist many bible verse prove it
You can only get to Heaven through faith
do i dont have to obey,, got it
why would there be rules, if we dont need them
Like Mary Jesus got upset with mary
Penance is basically your payment for your sins. When I go to confession or reconciliation, I follow up with penance like extra service, extra prayer, etc so that I may be truly saved from my sinful nature
You can't pay for sins
you canrt pray your way into being good.. you cant do extra work like that
Which is un-Biblical. The Catholic church only created that because the pope wanted to be rich
If you can pay for sins.vthen Jesus sacrifice was pointless
Maybe it’s not the best way to word it, but that’s essentially my belief. How do you reconcile your sins?
the best thing is trying your best to follow his laws and that includes "jesus's" teachings
we cannot reconcile, we repent and turn around meaning, stop doing it and stay on the right path
it sounds like you are catholic froshe, is that right?
By having faith that he forgive all your sins. Because even though some sins seems bigger than others hey are the same amount to God.
You ask God yourself. He forgives you. Nobody can repent for you.
I would argue the sins aren't the same
murder isn't the same as coveting
They very much are in the eyes of God
I believe that true repentance includes deepened prayer, the sacrament or reconciliation, and promising to move forward on a better path and following through. But if there is no way to reconcile on earth and no purgatory, truly how are we imperfect humans to make it to heaven
Removing a human life from this world isnt the same as stealing a toy
or candy
Jesus himself even said that no sin is greater than any other in the eyes of God
Yes
By God's grace and his forgiveness
We have to die to sin and be reborn with the Holy Spirit to Even be able to follow god