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I also love how the apostles put out “The Family: A proclamation to the world” before the left really started to dismantle and attack families, and how they transitioned to home centered church right before the pandemic
They’ve been telling us to prepare for this for years.
@hyperiacob#7939 why not, instead of attacking someone by saing their religion is false, try giving encouragement. And if you truly feel that they are on the wrong path, try a less abrasive and more gentle persuasion? People are much more likely to respect you and listen if you dont flat out tell them that their beliefs are wrong.
And please don't beat around the bush by posting verses of scripture without explanation as to why. Just say it, but be tactful. There is a way of being direct while remaining respectful of another person's most cherished beliefs
I am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a "Mormon". But this isn't about my belief in my religion. I am willing to defend (and have in this channel) anyone when they are flat-out told that they're beliefs are wrong and they should not believe.
Also, why can't this channel be about encouragement toward our fellow man, instead of criticisms of their beliefs and values?
See above. Ping isn't working right without replying.
Yeah I get your point, I need to explain more than put a verse
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Mormons believes that Jesus only forgive sins but doesn't save us from it,also is A business that provides you with wholesome life and family,in exchange for money. They deny the existence of the Supreme Holy God who gives existence its purpose. INSTEAD the Mormon church teaches that God was once a man achieved the status like his parents before and that we must do the same. They teach that Jesus doesn't save us from sin or evil. Rather, he only forgives us for it. According to the Mormon church, everyone who is born doesn't deserve to be punished in hell because of what he or she did good deeds before this earth in the pre-existence. For the Mormon church, Jesus blood wss shed in the garden of Gethsemane to allow us to begin working on Becoming righteous in this life in order to become God ourselves. Whereas the Bible teaches that juses death on the cross actually saves us from the power of sin to control our lives. The Mormon church provides an escape From this cruel selfish world. Which essentially they lie. @Alpha-57 @Vice President SwagLord
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If you would allow me to pose a counterpoint to the points that you have made:
1) Mormons believe that Jesus doesn’t save people from sin. This is simply not true. In fact in the Book of Mormon it states that “[Christ] taketh away the sins of the world” and that “[He] is mighty to save and to cleanse the world from all unrighteousness” (Alma 7:14). What we don’t believe is that He saves us in our sins. There is a difference. To save from sin is to provide a way for us to repent and become cleansed through His Atoning sacrifice, to save us in our sins is to imply that we have done nothing to merit redemption (i.e. not repenting of transgression or sin).
2) It is a business that provides you with a wholesome life in exchange for money. I don’t know where you got this idea. Yes, if you want to enter the temples, which are seen as houses of the Lord, you need to be worthy. Part of that worthiness is tithing. This has been a commandment since the beginning. The money does not support local leaders, but is used for humanitarian aid, missionary work, etc.
3) The Mormon Church denies the Supreme Holy God. Also not true: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” (Article of Faith 1)
4) Mormons teach that God was a man that achieved this status like His parents. This is true, but there is context left out. We believe that “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become” (Lorenzo Snow, 5th President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). It involved a deeper doctrinal analysis than I am ready to give at the present, but the Idea was that God was like unto man in a previous round of creation, and that he became exalted and like unto His Heavenly Creator, thereby gaining the knowledge and ability to become God as we know Him.
5) We must do the same. That is what we strive for, to become perfected so that we may become like God, and like Him, become creators of worlds without number. A noble goal, and one I certainly would like to accomplish. This does not diminish the importance of God, but enhances it, turning Him into even more of a loving Father who wants us to reach our full potential.
6) Everyone who is born doesn’t deserve to be punished in Hell. Partially true. We teach that “little children are alive in Christ… if it were not so, God is a partial God… and a respecter of persons… for how many little children have died without baptism” (Moroni 9:12). However even adults are not condemned to either Heaven or Hell. We believe in three degrees of glory, based on the Final Judgement of our thoughts, deeds, and character. Each degree is varying in the glory. For further info, ask about the Plan of Salvation (it is worth studying).
7) The Mormon Church teaches that the suffering in Gethsemane, rather than the death on the cross is the saving power. Partially true: the Atonement was a multi-stage ordeal. First it was the suffering in Gethsemane, then His death on the cross, and finally, the Resurrection. Each part was necessary for the sacrifice to be complete and victory over death and sin assured.
8) The Mormon Church provides an escape from this cruel, selfish world. I don’t know of a single church in existence that doesn’t try to provide hope to its members. Is it not a good thing that one could look forward with faith and hope for a better world?
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I would also like to point out that my goal is not to persuade you, but to clarify and dispel myths and misconceptions about our beliefs.
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@Alpha-57 quick question do y'all believe that y'all are a christian denomination?
We are members of the Church of *Jesus Christ* of Latter-day Saints. We are followers of Christ, so, yes, we are Christians.
I agree with Rea. We get called Mormons so often that people overlook that we are called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Even the Book of Mormon has the subtitle "Another testament of Jesus Christ" While there may be things that differentiate us from say Catholicism or Protestant denominations, the underlying foundation is the same: a belief in Jesus Christ, His teachings, and His power to save through His Atonement.
I disagree. I am a Protestant Christian and i believe in the Bible as the sole authority for all things. So no we do not believe in the same things.
In particular I do not believe that God was ever man except for the incarnation of Jesus. I do not believe He was a man who achieved Godhood. The Bible says that God has always existed and never changes.
Sorry. I sort of just jumped into the the conversation here. Didn’t mean to be rude but also to clarify
But the underlying basis of faith is that in Jesus Christ, is it not?
We also believe the Bible is the word of God. The Book of Mormon does not diminish that, rather, it is a companion to it.
Secondly, a differentiating belief on the origin of God doesn't necessarily disqualify us from being Christians.
If the Book of Mormon teaches that God was once a man then it is in direct conflict with what the Bible says. The Bible tells us that God is eternal. He has always been, and always will be. He has never changed and never will. And that is good.
Psalm 90:2 states Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Meaning from eternity past to eternity future He is God.
Like I said, it would require a deeper anaylis of the scriptures to completely explain this, but I will try to keep it as simple and consise as possible.
First, that is a modern revelation given by several prophets (since we do believe in modern revelation through prophets) and not explicitly stated in the Book of Mormon.
Secondly, God is eternal. We all are. Mortality is simply a brief phase between our pre-mortal existence and our immortality at the final day of judgement. This is part of the Plan of Salvation. It is difficult to comprehend this (it is true, even for me) but as you study it, it all falls into place. There was more to this than a simple pre-existence, it is a very intricate and, at times, complicated doctrine. But it is a very rewarding topic to study and a study of it shows that we are not merely on this Earth to suffer and try to be good until we die. Rather we are here to gain experience and learn and grow so that we may be able to reach our full potential. Death is not the end, it is only a beginning.
Well I appreciate that insight. I think it is clear to see we are both devout in our beliefs and that our beliefs are not the same.
The point is that we both believe that Jesus is the Christ, and we strive to follow His teachings.
Because I believe the Bible to be Gods complete revelation of all things, I do not believe in modern day prophecy. I don’t believe God sends any special revelation to people today. I believe the gift of prophecy was given for the time it was needed. But it is no longer needed because God sent us His entire revelation in the scriptures, which I believe are the true inerrant inspired word of God.
But I don’t believe that people are following Jesus’s teachings if you are using supplemental literature. That is my belief. So that is why I disagree that we are following the same teacher.
Again, I agree with Rea. Christ is the center of our faith. That is the most important part of it.
If you are doutful as to the nature and content of the Book of Mormon, I would invite you to at least read the Book of Mormon. There are so many myths and misconceptions about what it is and what it teaches. The Apostle Paul said: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good".
You are allowed to believe whatever you want, but we follow Jesus Christ. So I don’t know what to tell you.
I don’t mean to be adversarial. Please don’t think of it like that. I’m just saying by your own admission you follow the teachings from books that were written by modern prophets (or something similar to that I think?) and I just don’t believe that those modern authors were truly inspired to write the way the authors of the Bible were. That is the main difference.
No, I understand. Like I said, I'm not here to persuade anyone, I just wanted to clarify some of our beliefs. I am unable to do it very well just typing (especially with the character limit).
And the reason I feel that way is because I believe the Bible is Gods complete revelation of all things past present and future. As such there would be non need of supplemental literature.
As for supplemental literature, there are books (like the Apocrypha) which are considered in other Christian denominations to be true, but not as much in others. I truly believe in Paul's words. Study, and decide for yourself.