Message from @kendikane88

Discord ID: 791005250935980092


2020-12-22 16:06:44 UTC  

You are allowed to believe whatever you want, but we follow Jesus Christ. So I don’t know what to tell you.

2020-12-22 16:08:52 UTC  

I don’t mean to be adversarial. Please don’t think of it like that. I’m just saying by your own admission you follow the teachings from books that were written by modern prophets (or something similar to that I think?) and I just don’t believe that those modern authors were truly inspired to write the way the authors of the Bible were. That is the main difference.

2020-12-22 16:10:21 UTC  

No, I understand. Like I said, I'm not here to persuade anyone, I just wanted to clarify some of our beliefs. I am unable to do it very well just typing (especially with the character limit).

2020-12-22 16:11:03 UTC  

And the reason I feel that way is because I believe the Bible is Gods complete revelation of all things past present and future. As such there would be non need of supplemental literature.

2020-12-22 16:13:17 UTC  

As for supplemental literature, there are books (like the Apocrypha) which are considered in other Christian denominations to be true, but not as much in others. I truly believe in Paul's words. Study, and decide for yourself.

2020-12-22 16:17:46 UTC  

Here is the main reason why my faith is so important to me. From my understanding of the Bible we are saved from eternal hell by the process of becoming a born again believer. Which includes admitting we are born sinners and recognizing our inability to save ourselves. We accept Jesus’s death on the cross as the ultimate atonement for all of our sin past present and future. For it is by grace we are saved by faith. And not of works that no man should boast. This means we accept Jesus’s death as the free gift that washes away our sin and allows us to go to heaven when we die. If we do not become born again in this way we go to hell and pay for our own sin through eternal suffering. And here is what is dangerous - if I believe what the Bible says - it is by grace (a free gift) that I am saved through faith (my belief that Jesus did this for me) then if I try to earn my way to heaven with works I am thereby denying the ability of Jesus’s death to pay the full price for my sin. I am saying it isn’t enough.

2020-12-22 16:18:28 UTC  

What I am trying to get at is that we worship the same God, the Eternal Creator and Supreme Being. Differences as to His origin and nature vary across the different Christian sects, but the underlying foundation of a belief in God and Christ is there.

2020-12-22 16:19:34 UTC  

And that is what is different and sets us apart. This is the core and heart of my beliefs.

2020-12-22 16:21:49 UTC  

So that is why I can get a little passionate about my beliefs because many Christian denominations including the catholic faith teach things like sacraments that must be done in order to gain entry to heaven from our own works. Things we do. Like baptism and going to church and participating in the lords supper and tithing. All these things we are instructed to do yea! But it does not determine whether or not we will gain entry to heaven. The work on the cross was our ticket into heaven.

2020-12-22 16:36:13 UTC  

The more you focus on differences, the larger the divide gets between any denomination. Christianity should not be divided. Christians can be a huge force for good if we focus less on what sets us apart and more on what we share: belief in Christ and His power to save.

2020-12-22 16:39:10 UTC  

I am not really supportive of ecumenical or universalist religion because I feel the truth is not to be compromised. And the consequence of compromised truth is souls lost to hell for eternity. So that is why I am not ashamed of the gospel (the good news of Gods plan for salvation) and I like to share it.

2020-12-22 16:41:13 UTC  

The only good I am interested in is helping people get to heaven and stay out of hell. I can do that by speaking openly in public about what the Bible says. It tells us that we can know 100% for certain that we will go to heaven when we die! What a relief!

2020-12-22 16:42:54 UTC  

If you believe that you have put your full faith in Jesus as your lord as savior and you know you are going to heaven when you die, then you can call yourself whatever you want - you are a brother or sister in Christ.

2020-12-22 17:30:09 UTC  

amen, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that the Father raised him from the dead, you're saved and a brother/sister of mine

2020-12-22 17:40:09 UTC  

Prophecy still exist, explain it to me then how did my brother had vision about covid a year before it happened

2020-12-22 17:42:39 UTC  

You do know their is flase teachings

2020-12-22 17:43:36 UTC  

Same, I think their prophets may be flase ones.

2020-12-22 18:09:32 UTC  

I'm jus curious what would make them false prophets?

2020-12-22 18:10:52 UTC  

2. You can't be come worthy by just giving money, flase teaching right their.
3. Do you believe they are 3 in 1?
4.God was never a man. He is the beginning and the end. If you think we can become God or like God is a huge flase teaching. What gives you an idea that their was another round of creation, it never mentioned it in the bible. No the reason why we know knowledge like God is because the devil trick eve into thinking she can be come like God by eating the forbidden fruit. That doesn't make us close to God because God us without sin and is holy. Once we eat the forbidden fruit that was the first sin.
5. The creator's of world's is just one and thats one almighty God. No one can be come like God the devil tried that and got yeeted from heaven. Yes trying to become like diminish the importance of the 1 true God, because what you are proposing is that their are many God's and just 1 true God. He called us onto earth to help the lost.
6. So hittler,ect doesn't deserve hell? Little children are alive in christ intill thhley get the knowledge of what's right and whats wrong. "God is partial God" what are your trying say with that?
Yeah many had died without baptism, but baptism isn't a key thing to heaven, baptism is you showing the whole world you are dedicating your life to christ. Yes adults are condemned to hell worms don't save least any of you boast about it. If I'm right I think Paul or Peter wrote it. Works doesn't save, your faith in christ does, I believe thier is a bible verse that basically says works doesn't save.
7. The bible says that the Jesus on the cross was the sacrifice not sure why they think Gethsemane is part of it.
8.Many churchs like mine doesn't provide and escape, my church provide a way to salvation by teaching us that Jesus is christ and he forgive us and saves us from all our sins. Are church doesn't hide the cruel and selfish world from us. Yes our church provides us with hope for the future.

2020-12-22 18:11:26 UTC  

1. How can God forgive us from sin and not save us from it.

2020-12-22 18:12:27 UTC  

I wouldn’t know how to explain that. The Bible talks about magic coming from bad sources though and warns against it.

2020-12-22 18:13:09 UTC  

If they say things that are contrary to what the Bible teaches.

2020-12-22 18:13:23 UTC  

Yes it tell us that black magic exist we should avoid it.

2020-12-22 18:13:43 UTC  

What? When did that ever happen?

2020-12-22 18:13:44 UTC  

You'll know them by there fruits

2020-12-22 18:13:56 UTC  

And their fruits are showing

2020-12-22 18:15:07 UTC  

What are their fruits then, because I have not seen one that has not been for the betterment of humanity.

2020-12-22 18:18:12 UTC  

Hold I will get with you and a couple hours I got to the mall and I need to buy presents fpr my siblings hope you read the points made for.

2020-12-22 18:18:27 UTC  

Rog.

2020-12-22 18:20:01 UTC  

The Bible calls it sorcery. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:8

2020-12-22 18:21:21 UTC  

It is also referred to as the seers in Micah 3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
Micah 3:7

2020-12-22 18:21:46 UTC  

There is also a reference to it in Samuel. I am looking for it now.

2020-12-22 18:30:46 UTC  

Chapter 28 of Samuel discusses in particular conjuring dead people to speak to them.

2020-12-22 18:31:08 UTC  

There is a verse in I think 1 Corinthians that talks about the gift of prophecy being passed away.

2020-12-22 18:31:56 UTC  

Look, I'm trying to really avoid a scripture-slug-fest debate here, so I'll just say this before we continue: please don't attack us for believing what we believe, I haven't attacked anyone's faith and my only real purpose is to clarify our beliefs. If you have honest questions or concerns, I will do my best to answer them, but if you want to only say "false teachings" or otherwise attack our beliefs, I will not respond out of mutual respect for both of our cherished beliefs and values.

2020-12-22 18:36:21 UTC  

Plus it's against the channel rules.

2020-12-22 18:36:45 UTC  

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12 this is my understanding of these verses as taken in context. People prophesied before Christ was born and during his life. But when “that which is perfect has come” means the complete revelation of the word through Jesus’s finished work on the cross. Once that happened, then certain gifts perished. Including the gift of prophecy and the gift of speaking in tongues. Since those gifts were only needed for a period of time. Once all knowledge was recorded in scripture and all necessary events occurred regarding Jesus’s death and resurrection, then there was no more need of those gifts. It is already written what is to come. Mostly in Revelations. That is my understanding of these things.

2020-12-22 18:37:44 UTC  

So there is the scripture with some context and how/why I believe the way I do based on that content.

2020-12-22 18:40:33 UTC  

I am not trying to participate in a slug fest. But I do like to show people why I believe the way I do. Which I welcome others to do as well. I hold the Bible to be my sole authority and I believe what is in it. I don’t mind others referring to their religious texts as well. I just don’t believe in anything other than the Bible.

2020-12-22 18:42:14 UTC  

I realize that. Thing are just getting heated and confusing. I like learning about others' faith. I just really want to avoid argument or having anyone feel attacked.

2020-12-22 18:43:40 UTC  

I can agree with that. There is way to get the same message across but use soft language. I am trying to do that. I hope it comes out on the other side that way. No harshness intended in my tone.