do the math ...and don't use core

All I’m saying is that the catholic priesthood and the whole church leadership covered it up

Not individual Catholics

@MKSmash

Guys let me clarify what I meant when I said Catholic. The Catholic Church has had a huge scandal child abuse, it’s unfortunate but many molesters used the disguise of being a respected church leader to my last children. I meant no insult to Catholics at all, But I guess that didn’t come out very well in my wording, so I just wanted to clarify

Christian pastors and Muslim leaders have done the same thing, using their respective roll to molest children, but it was not a huge organizational problem like it was with certain parts of the Catholic Church.

nearly all religions in their churches/temples/mosques are corrupt on some level ....theres the basic decent preachers of each faith that have no clue, but those in power tend to be the ones abusing the 'faith' for their own advantage

sometimes when an exposed preacher from one faith gets moved to another 'parish' in another state or district to avoid bad press....eventually they reach a point where they have to change their identity or change their faith to keep practicing their crimes under guise of 'good faith'

an example is that one trans preacher

Well in the end, it's not because of the Bible or Christianity that people do terrible things such as in the catholic church. Nowhere in the bible does it command people to be kid diddlers. It's merely the corruption and evil embedded in human nature to fill ones selfish evil sinful desires. On the other hand, you have the Quran that teaches other things that might bring about that kind of thing or evil. You always have to go to the core teachings of religions to see why someone of that faith would believe doing whatever it is they are doing is okay.

Especially considering what the bible teaches and the teachings of Jesus are.

when the preacher pushes an agenda and uses bible quotes ..something is screwy

read the bible or whatever 'book' they're referencing for urself and make ur own interpretations

That's where the word heresy and false prophets come in

don't let the preacher control ur life

only fools follow the wolf in sheep's clothling posing as the preacher

Dont put faith in a malleable human being in other words. Too many do so, and then leave the faith when their pastor "fails" them.

i'm not saying get away from religion ..i'm just saying read the dam books for urself ...

Like one of the ones I trusted, turns out he had been beating his wife for like a decade.

plenty offer promises and warnings

Yep* lol

but when they go against the warnings and teachings of peaceful resolutions to problems...then u got conflict of interest between faith and the book

But honestly, it's idiotic to make a blanket statement about more than half the planet because of a few bad ones of a certain faith unless that faith inadvertently encourages evil behaviour.

Such as calling all people who practice that certain faith "deplorables" because of the reason I pointed out above.

I would say that anyone who follows Islam and doesnt, should have issues with what it teaches though, and who the teacher of it is because of what he did and taught people to do.

@little hollow u can compare the two scriptures...and what each religion teaches. The bible is very clear it condemns pedos (Matthew 18:6). Whereas the quran lets pedos marry and or divorce girls before they menstruate (At-Talaq 65:4). So a pedo is a bad christian according to christianity or a pedo is a good muslim according to islam. Here's the verses i quoted from both scriptures. 👇 👇 @Kaladin

Yeah. That basically reinforces what I was trying to point out, thank you :)

well theres 2 versions of muslim 'faith' ...one is sunni and other is shitt'e

the latter is pro pedo, while the former is mostly anti pedo

the former is for when the prophet first got his 'visions' ...the latter is after he became a warlord

and started to collect 'trophy' wives of under age

@Deleted User this is from the hadeeth of sahih bukhari, sunni islam's most authoritative sources on the life of their prophet.

ok, i guess i need to look at the books again

not the online 'sources'

The in-book reference is at the bottom left corner.

@Kaladin I overreacted, my apologies. I misunderstood what you said for an attack on the Catholic Church. The church has certainly had a bad light put upon it, and I'm sad that there were so many priests doing these things. I take solace in the fact that most are not this way, but I pray that those who do can change.

@MKSmash Sorry to have to tell you this, but the Catholic Church has not had a perversion problem only just in the past few decades. It doesn't go back just decades, even to the 1960s like Pope Benedict tried to allege--no, it goes back *centuries*. Martin Luther the Reformer commented on it, saying, "Through the papists Satan so defiled it that in his little book on the celibacy of priests Cyprian wrote, ‘If you hear a woman speak, flee from her as if she were a hissing snake.’ That’s the way it is. When one is afraid of whores one must fall into sodomite depravity, as almost happened to St. Jerome." He was saying the very problem of requiring celibacy tends to push them into sodomy. He was not saying that as one from outside the Catholic system, but as one who was a trained Catholic priest who abhorred what they were doing, that being one of the many problems he protested against. Even further than that, it has been shown that the second Council of Tours (the year 567) publicly admitted there was hardly a cleric anywhere without his wife or mistress. That shows even how early there were problems with sexual morality in Catholicism, even before they had their first actual pope in 606. Those are just a couple quick examples I have at hand.

Pedophilia among these clergy is just another consequence of the unbiblical requirement of Catholicism of priests to be celibate (only being required since the year 1139 from the 2nd Lateran Council, thus not its entire history). Just for the fact that pedophilia is so prevalent among Catholic clergy should lead you to question why. Check out this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases . That is repugnant, absolutely objectionable, reprehensible, and anyone with any ounce of decency and morality should be appalled by all that and therefore reject Catholicism! Just like with Biden sniffing children and appearing to be a pedophile should be one deal breaker to not vote for him, the institutional prevalence of pedophilia in Catholicism should drive one to reject Catholicism.

Regarding this issue specifically, it all goes back to their requirement for them to be celibate. Such a practice is something they inherited from paganism through religious syncretism--it's not in the Bible. Pastors/bishops and deacons were required to be married (1 Tim. 3:2,11-12, Titus 1:6), and the Apostle Paul advocated marriage to help people avoid fornication and falling into sexual problems (1 Cor. 7:1-2,9). No where is it commanded for church leaders to be celibate. Thus, the core issue here is their celibacy. It is good this pedophilia issue has been coming to light to make the Catholic Church pay for its sickening abuses and wicked sins. The Lord Jesus Christ had strong things to say about those that would harm children: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Mt. 18:6)

@Kaladin Catholicism is not Christianity. Even many Catholics will acknowledge this, understanding that it is something separate than what the Bible declares, adding many, many other things to it, or denying many things in it, contradicting it, basically establishing a completely separate religion. Thus, your earlier comment saying that Christians are deplorable, is disingenuous. If you were referring to Catholics only, then you ought to know the difference and say so. Now, if you were focusing on Christians otherwise, as separate from Catholicism and saying they are deplorable, you should know where you're at as that there are a lot of Christians on here. If, like with Catholicism, you are attacking Christian denominations at large, give some proofs of what you are talking about. But, as has been said even on here, if sexual abuse occurs among people who profess to be Christians, it is not a matter of if their religion is wrong for it soundly and strongly condemns all immorality, but the problem is in the individual's choice to not live for God faithfully and uprightly.

There's this weird idea amongst people that if you engage in sodomy, then you're not breaking chastity or losing virginity.